Chimera Industries Cerberus: The 18L, mATX, USA-made enclosure

VegetableStu

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O my GOD....what did I see (by chance) on CES 2020 video on Aorus/Gigabyte stand :
whoa, what happened to the entire back of the case?! O_O
 

sn0man

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New to SFF. (Brief history: went away from PC gaming and did consoles+mac and now I'm back running my new Cerberus X with PopOS Linux for gaming).

My setup:
Case: Cerberus-X with window panel.
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
Cooler: AMD Prism RGB cooler (friend didn't want it)
Mobo: Asus Strix B450F
GfxCard: EVGA 1080 FTW
PSU: Corsair SF600 (in front position)
Storage: M.2 SSD
Cooling: In the bottom of the case I have a single NF-S12A PWM chromax intake fan.

Newb questions:

PSU
1. Could I run the SF600 reversed with the logo facing the window? This would result in the powersupply sucking up internal case air, how bad is that? (Alternatively: Is there a magnetic/decorative cover I could get to clean up the specifications side of the SF600?)
2. The SF600 combined with the internal power cord point the right-angle towards the outside of the case which causes a bend. I've considered a right angle, connector to reverse the right angle: https://www.newegg.com/tekit-right-angled-iec-adapter-up-angled-iec-320-c14-to-c13-adapter-for-lcd-wall-mount-tv/p/2VH-0003-00009?Description=C13 right angle&cm_re=C13_right_angle-_-9SIA50M6CA2914-_-Product Has anyone tried something like this?
3. Where are people getting braided cables to fit the SF600 and Cerberus X? I would need a relatively long 12V CPU connector but a fairly short motherboard connector. Has anyone ordered custom length cables, that can speak to good lengths to purchase? Also what sites are the ones to order from?

Cooling:
Linux does not allow me to control the fan curves very well. The Asus BIOS also does not let me control the fans very well. The problem is that the CPU fan spikes up loudly often. I am considering adding some more fans to hopefully move air into and out of the case to hopefully mitigate this.
1. Add another 120mm Noctua to the existing bottom of the case?
2. Add a 92mm Noctua to the rear?
3. Both 1 and 2?


Thank you in advance for any and all input you can provide.
 
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cmsanford88

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Hey Guys! New to the forum, just built myself a new workstation in the Cerberus and was very pleased with how it came out, figured I'd share. I work in the film industry and do primarily 3D modeling and rendering. I also move my computer a lot as I move from job to job or location to location. With all that in mind I wanted something compact and pretty sturdy with some very fast hardware in it. Went with a AMD Ryzen 3950x, an ASUS Crosshair VIII Impact motherboard, EVGA XC2 2080ti, and 64gb of ram. Storage is all NVME so there's some space savings there. Overall I didn't do anything too exotic with the build, but I was surprised at how open it still is inside the case.

The one slightly tricky thing I did, which was inspired by an alternate PSU mounting I saw on this forum, was put my power supply at the back corner of the case. Unlike the other forum user, I used the SFX bracket for the rear of the case, and attached it to the front using some stand-offs. This allowed me to have the power supply flattened against the back wall, but also to move it down enough for a second exhaust fan. This layout would also allow for a 240mm radiator on the swing-door, if I ever wanted to go that route. For now I only have the fans shown, and everthing is running very cool and quiet!

Thanks for the inspiration and I hope you enjoy the build!







 

MarcParis

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New to SFF. (Brief history: went away from PC gaming and did consoles+mac and now I'm back running my new Cerberus X with PopOS Linux for gaming).

My setup:
Case: Cerberus-X with window panel.
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
Cooler: AMD Prism RGB cooler (friend didn't want it)
Mobo: Asus Strix B450F
GfxCard: EVGA 1080 FTW
PSU: Corsair SF600 (in front position)
Storage: M.2 SSD
Cooling: In the bottom of the case I have a single NF-S12A PWM chromax intake fan.

Newb questions:

PSU
1. Could I run the SF600 reversed with the logo facing the window? This would result in the powersupply sucking up internal case air, how bad is that? (Alternatively: Is there a magnetic/decorative cover I could get to clean up the specifications side of the SF600?)
2. The SF600 combined with the internal power cord point the right-angle towards the outside of the case which causes a bend. I've considered a right angle, connector to reverse the right angle: https://www.newegg.com/tekit-right-angled-iec-adapter-up-angled-iec-320-c14-to-c13-adapter-for-lcd-wall-mount-tv/p/2VH-0003-00009?Description=C13 right angle&cm_re=C13_right_angle-_-9SIA50M6CA2914-_-Product Has anyone tried something like this?
3. Where are people getting braided cables to fit the SF600 and Cerberus X? I would need a relatively long 12V CPU connector but a fairly short motherboard connector. Has anyone ordered custom length cables, that can speak to good lengths to purchase? Also what sites are the ones to order from?

Cooling:
Linux does not allow me to control the fan curves very well. The Asus BIOS also does not let me control the fans very well. The problem is that the CPU fan spikes up loudly often. I am considering adding some more fans to hopefully move air into and out of the case to hopefully mitigate this.
1. Add another 120mm Noctua to the existing bottom of the case?
2. Add a 92mm Noctua to the rear?
3. Both 1 and 2?


Thank you in advance for any and all input you can provide.
Welcome to sff and Cerberus-x3 owner’s club..:)
I will answer you tomorrow..:D
Hey Guys! New to the forum, just built myself a new workstation in the Cerberus and was very pleased with how it came out, figured I'd share. I work in the film industry and do primarily 3D modeling and rendering. I also move my computer a lot as I move from job to job or location to location. With all that in mind I wanted something compact and pretty sturdy with some very fast hardware in it. Went with a AMD Ryzen 3950x, an ASUS Crosshair VIII Impact motherboard, EVGA XC2 2080ti, and 64gb of ram. Storage is all NVME so there's some space savings there. Overall I didn't do anything too exotic with the build, but I was surprised at how open it still is inside the case.

The one slightly tricky thing I did, which was inspired by an alternate PSU mounting I saw on this forum, was put my power supply at the back corner of the case. Unlike the other forum user, I used the SFX bracket for the rear of the case, and attached it to the front using some stand-offs. This allowed me to have the power supply flattened against the back wall, but also to move it down enough for a second exhaust fan. This layout would also allow for a 240mm radiator on the swing-door, if I ever wanted to go that route. For now I only have the fans shown, and everthing is running very cool and quiet!

Thanks for the inspiration and I hope you enjoy the build!







Nice setup.
You managed to get 2x120 slim fans on top, thanks to psu relocation. Could you share more pictures about your mod?
 
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cmsanford88

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Welcome to sff and Cerberus-x3 owner’s club..:)
I will answer you tomorrow..:D

Nice setup.
You managed to get 2x120 slim fans on top, thanks to psu relocation. Could you share more pictures about your mod?


Sure thing. So, I actually realized the bracket I'm using came with my Corsair PSU, it's for converting from SFX to ATX power supply mounts. I then dug through my parts bin and found a bunch of threaded stand-offs, I believe they're from and AIO cooler mounting kit. I attached those to the front of the bracket so that the whole PSU would sit about 3/4" off the front of the case. This allows room to route your power cable. I then poked the stand-offs through the vent holes in the front of the case, and secured them on the outside with corresponding thumb screws. I've attached a bunch of pictures that should hopefully explain more clearly.

The nice thing about the setup is you can pretty freely adjust where on the front of the case the PSU sits, the vent slots are so frequent that you could move it vertically or horizontally as needed. I guess you could also rotate the whole unit if that made more sense for your build. The drawback is that you're cantilevering the whole weight of the psu off the front panel. With the slightly goofy mounts I used it feels secure, but you can definitely still feel some wiggle just because the front panel itself can bend a litte. I'll report back if I have any issues long-term, as of right now it seems fine though.





 

TheHig

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Love the home brewed PSU mount ?. You could add washers on each stud if the vented panel is flexing too much.

Nice build!
 
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MarcParis

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Sure thing. So, I actually realized the bracket I'm using came with my Corsair PSU, it's for converting from SFX to ATX power supply mounts. I then dug through my parts bin and found a bunch of threaded stand-offs, I believe they're from and AIO cooler mounting kit. I attached those to the front of the bracket so that the whole PSU would sit about 3/4" off the front of the case. This allows room to route your power cable. I then poked the stand-offs through the vent holes in the front of the case, and secured them on the outside with corresponding thumb screws. I've attached a bunch of pictures that should hopefully explain more clearly.

The nice thing about the setup is you can pretty freely adjust where on the front of the case the PSU sits, the vent slots are so frequent that you could move it vertically or horizontally as needed. I guess you could also rotate the whole unit if that made more sense for your build. The drawback is that you're cantilevering the whole weight of the psu off the front panel. With the slightly goofy mounts I used it feels secure, but you can definitely still feel some wiggle just because the front panel itself can bend a litte. I'll report back if I have any issues long-term, as of right now it seems fine though.





Thanks for sharing.
Indeed, simple mod :
  • Intel asetek retention kit
  • SFX-ATX backplate
Congratulations!
 

fabio

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Well, It's only 12mm wider for the U12A!

Maybe having 15mm on top also it will keep proportion but letting install 15mm exhaust fans easily on top and better 280mm rad support to clear the connector :)

Cerberus X2
 
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VegetableStu

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i think that'll depend if they want to go out of the 20L definition ._. i mean i wouldn't mind cerberus-X to go larger in that direction, since there's just so much you can do with an ATX base before the variety of cooling is limited

also maybe invert the board layout, since we're starting to deal with heavier heatsinks
 

zugok

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Does any one know what he name of the metal part "push-pins" that are used to secure the steel sides to the frame of the Cerberus? Was thinking hood pin but they are much shorter?
 

MarcParis

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Well, It's only 12mm wider for the U12A!

Maybe having 15mm on top also it will keep proportion but letting install 15mm exhaust fans easily on top and better 280mm rad support to clear the connector :)

Cerberus X2
Issue I have with tower cooler inside cerberus is that airflow is not suited as front psu location is preventing proper arrival of fresh air.

Before we will need to have option to relocate PSU somewhere else, like on infinite vents, or at the bottom..;)
 

MarcParis

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Well, after all my content about Cerberus-X I decided to rework a lot my first message in order to make it fit (limits of 100 images and 50k words are true constraints in this specific case).

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/t...cerberus-x-complete-build-log.2007/post-43877

I really enjoyed revising it...and it became obvious that I will need to make a clear & clean summary of Cerberus-X cooling setups in the near future...;)

Once again thanks again for all the readers & supporters on this thread!
 

MarcParis

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Apr 1, 2016
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New to SFF. (Brief history: went away from PC gaming and did consoles+mac and now I'm back running my new Cerberus X with PopOS Linux for gaming).

My setup:
Case: Cerberus-X with window panel.
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
Cooler: AMD Prism RGB cooler (friend didn't want it)
Mobo: Asus Strix B450F
GfxCard: EVGA 1080 FTW
PSU: Corsair SF600 (in front position)
Storage: M.2 SSD
Cooling: In the bottom of the case I have a single NF-S12A PWM chromax intake fan.

Newb questions:

PSU
1. Could I run the SF600 reversed with the logo facing the window? This would result in the powersupply sucking up internal case air, how bad is that? (Alternatively: Is there a magnetic/decorative cover I could get to clean up the specifications side of the SF600?)
2. The SF600 combined with the internal power cord point the right-angle towards the outside of the case which causes a bend. I've considered a right angle, connector to reverse the right angle: https://www.newegg.com/tekit-right-angled-iec-adapter-up-angled-iec-320-c14-to-c13-adapter-for-lcd-wall-mount-tv/p/2VH-0003-00009?Description=C13 right angle&cm_re=C13_right_angle-_-9SIA50M6CA2914-_-Product Has anyone tried something like this?
3. Where are people getting braided cables to fit the SF600 and Cerberus X? I would need a relatively long 12V CPU connector but a fairly short motherboard connector. Has anyone ordered custom length cables, that can speak to good lengths to purchase? Also what sites are the ones to order from?

Cooling:
Linux does not allow me to control the fan curves very well. The Asus BIOS also does not let me control the fans very well. The problem is that the CPU fan spikes up loudly often. I am considering adding some more fans to hopefully move air into and out of the case to hopefully mitigate this.
1. Add another 120mm Noctua to the existing bottom of the case?
2. Add a 92mm Noctua to the rear?
3. Both 1 and 2?


Thank you in advance for any and all input you can provide.
Sorry for late answer...my bad.

For SF600, it’s completely possible to have its fan sucking air from inside. True issue of this psu is simply its fan and its management. Best mod is to replace it by noctua nf-a9x14..:)
For power cord, be careful of angled version. I used one at early stage of my build (before serial production) and it was preventing to close top cover. Keep using power extension provided with Cerberus.

For your cpu cooling. Your issue is coming from your Prism...it’s a good cooler but it tends to make fan spin fast (check review of is-60 here)

I propose you this kind of airflow and cpu cooler :
  • Rear 92mmx25 as intake
  • Cpu cooler tower style, like noctua nh-u9s/d9l or cryorig c7 quad lumi or scythe fuma-b (not rev 2)
  • Top 120mm slim fan as exhaust
  • PSU with fan from inside
Let me know what you think about that..:)
 
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sn0man

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Sorry for late answer...my bad.

For SF600, it’s completely possible to have its fan sucking air from inside. True issue of this psu is simply its fan and its management. Best mod is to replace it by noctua nf-a9x14..:)
For power cord, be careful of angled version. I used one at early stage of my build (before serial production) and it was preventing to close top cover. Keep using power extension provided with Cerberus.

For your cpu cooling. Your issue is coming from your Prism...it’s a good cooler but it tends to make fan spin fast (check review of is-60 here)

I propose you this kind of airflow and cpu cooler :
  • Rear 92mmx25 as intake
  • Cpu cooler tower style, like noctua nh-u9s/d9l or cryorig c7 quad lumi or scythe fuma-b (not rev 2)
  • Top 120mm slim fan as exhaust
  • PSU with fan from inside
Let me know what you think about that..:)

I like it so far. (Thanks for advice!!!) I am going to try and help airflow without swapping the Prism first (it'll probably be a futile effort. My spouse's rig is running a sweet setup with a Noctua CPU fan (and it's quite quiet)).

Here is how it sets right now.


Here are my thoughts on fans:
1.) Considering a 92mmx15 on the back as an intake, but that might not move enough air. Do you think I should skip straight to the 92x25?
2.) definitely go w/ top 120 slim as exhaust
3.) What about adding another 120mm as an exhaust for the front? That way the heat of the gfx card has somewhere to go, especially with an inverted SF600. I'd have an intake on the bottom and an exhaust on the front.

Cables:
1.) Ok i'll skip the right-angle connector. As far as the existing angled cable. Is there a "left-angle" or essentially a 90 degree that is opposite to the direction of the existing one? I'm putting a severe bend into the cable with the SF600.
2.) Have you seen anyone order a specific length of custom cables for this build? Would be beneficial for removing clutter and getting a better air path.
 
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