News Gigabyte/ASUS/GALAX RTX 4060 Low Profile

Gingerbeer · Nov 4, 2023

nightshift said:
I heard that the 4060 performs kinda close to identical to the 3060Ti.
However, it's vastly better overall, knowing that it does that while being smaller and consumes about half as much.

Having had both, side by side, the 3060 ti was about 10 to 12% faster than the 4060 (both at stock), but the 4060 was a LOT more efficient.

k0n · Nov 4, 2023

At least in day 1 reviews the 3060Ti was sometimes ahead of the 4060Ti...

nightshift · Nov 4, 2023

According to the tests within an article on this site, it's very close to the 3060Ti with often better 1% lows and sometimes even surpassing it in games. Adding the utilization of DLSS3 and FrameGen will probably elevate this futher. The card was also an ITX model (Zotac Solo) with much more impressive temps as well within the same form factor. That power to exist even in a low profile-form seems pretty awesome.

kolmio · Nov 22, 2023

I have a Silverstone ML09.
To fit this GPU in, I'll have to remove USB 3 and audio ports from the side of the case. All because of the extra 15 mm length extra to common 170 mm for LP GPUs.

Then I'll have a problem where to put them. I hoped to find some holders for the 5.25 slim ODD bay, but didn't find any. There are lots of stuff for normal 5.25 bay and nothing for slim one.

RichterSnipes · Nov 22, 2023

kolmio said:
I have a Silverstone ML09.
To fit this GPU in, I'll have to remove USB 3 and audio ports from the side of the case. All because of the extra 15 mm length extra to common 170 mm for LP GPUs.

Then I'll have a problem where to put them. I hoped to find some holders for the 5.25 slim ODD bay, but didn't find any. There are lots of stuff for normal 5.25 bay and nothing for slim one.

I was actually thinking about getting this card for my ML09 build myself. Doing some measurements, it seems like you can just fit the card in the system without removing the USB/audio ports if you deshroud the GPU.

Which actually brings up my own question: would installing two 25mm-thick 80mm fans into an ML09 work well enough to cool a deshrouded RTX 4060? Or do they need to be fastened to the GPU directly to have a shot at cooling it? I've never deshrouded a graphics card before, so I don't know how much each extra mm between the fans and GPU would matter for sufficient cooling.

BaK · Nov 24, 2023

RichterSnipes said:
Which actually brings up my own question: would installing two 25mm-thick 80mm fans into an ML09 work well enough to cool a deshrouded RTX 4060? Or do they need to be fastened to the GPU directly to have a shot at cooling it? I've never deshrouded a graphics card before, so I don't know how much each extra mm between the fans and GPU would matter for sufficient cooling.

Deshrouding this RTX4060 has not been very useful for our testers, here with 80mm fans:

News - Gigabyte/ASUS/GALAX RTX 4060 Low Profile

Gigabyte is creating an RTX 4060 low-profile card: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-set-to-be-the-first-low-profile-ada-lovelace-design 3 fans, single 8-pin, 2 slots. Pie in the sky, but would love to see an RTX 4060ti (or more crazy RTX 4070) model at some point...

smallformfactor.net

You should attached the fans on the GPU heatsink, as far as possible to the case panel to avoid turbulence.

kolmio said:
Then I'll have a problem where to put them. I hoped to find some holders for the 5.25 slim ODD bay, but didn't find any. There are lots of stuff for normal 5.25 bay and nothing for slim one.

Silverstone FPS01?

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/accessories/FPS01/

It doesn't offer audio ports though, but you could use some USB to audio jack adapter.

RichterSnipes · Nov 25, 2023

BaK said:
Deshrouding this RTX4060 has not been very useful for our testers, here with 80mm fans:

News - Gigabyte/ASUS/GALAX RTX 4060 Low Profile

Gigabyte is creating an RTX 4060 low-profile card: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-set-to-be-the-first-low-profile-ada-lovelace-design 3 fans, single 8-pin, 2 slots. Pie in the sky, but would love to see an RTX 4060ti (or more crazy RTX 4070) model at some point...

smallformfactor.net

You should attached the fans on the GPU heatsink, as far as possible to the case panel to avoid turbulence.

To respond to the second part first: After inserting 25mm-thick 80mm fans, there'd be less than 5mm space between the side of the ML09 and the deshrouded GPU, maybe as little as 2mm. The reason I asked that is because I didn't know if the more convenient route of just screwing the fans into the case normally would be noticeably different from attaching them to the GPU given such a short distance. If even a couple of millimeters makes a difference, then that's good to know.

As for the first thing: Are the Arctic P8 Max fans used in that example the best 80mm x 25mm fans for effectively cooling a GPU? I didn't know if those or Noctua NF-A8 PWMs would do a better job at keeping the GPU cooler, or if there was something even better than those two options. And even if those temperatures are "worse", would they still be usable without worrying about overheating? For the desired use cases of my build, I'd really prefer to keep both the USB/audio ports and the disc drive slot. If that's not feasible for the ML09, then the whole thing would be a nonstarter for me and I'd be more inclined to either buy a new case or make a custom one myself. Because it certainly doesn't look like there's gonna be a shorter, semi-powerful consumer low profile GPU released in the near future.

SFFMunkee · Nov 26, 2023

RichterSnipes said:
To respond to the second part first: After inserting 25mm-thick 80mm fans, there'd be less than 5mm space between the side of the ML09 and the deshrouded GPU, maybe as little as 2mm. The reason I asked that is because I didn't know if the more convenient route of just screwing the fans into the case normally would be noticeably different from attaching them to the GPU given such a short distance. If even a couple of millimeters makes a difference, then that's good to know.

As for the first thing: Are the Arctic P8 Max fans used in that example the best 80mm x 25mm fans for effectively cooling a GPU? I didn't know if those or Noctua NF-A8 PWMs would do a better job at keeping the GPU cooler, or if there was something even better than those two options. And even if those temperatures are "worse", would they still be usable without worrying about overheating? For the desired use cases of my build, I'd really prefer to keep both the USB/audio ports and the disc drive slot. If that's not feasible for the ML09, then the whole thing would be a nonstarter for me and I'd be more inclined to either buy a new case or make a custom one myself. Because it certainly doesn't look like there's gonna be a shorter, semi-powerful consumer low profile GPU released in the near future.

It'll make a bigger difference to reducing turbulence but also you lose a lot of the pressure if there's too much space between where air can be pushed. I'd suggest if you were to go this route to at least have a duct or DIY shroud to ensure your airflow is going to the right place.

That said, everyone I've seen that has de-shrouded this card has returned it back to stock as there was a noticeable impact on cooling performance and significant enough reduction in noise.

RichterSnipes · Nov 28, 2023

SFFMunkee said:
It'll make a bigger difference to reducing turbulence but also you lose a lot of the pressure if there's too much space between where air can be pushed. I'd suggest if you were to go this route to at least have a duct or DIY shroud to ensure your airflow is going to the right place.

That said, everyone I've seen that has de-shrouded this card has returned it back to stock as there was a noticeable impact on cooling performance and significant enough reduction in noise.

Thanks for the response, that's good info to know in the future if I ever consider deshrouding a GPU.

Doesn't look like it'll be this time, though. And I think I'm fine with that. I have to upgrade pretty much every part in my PC, anyways, so I may as well change cases, too.

hrh_ginsterbusch · Nov 28, 2023

Now we just need a RTX 4060 Ti LP. Maybe a mod?
And yes, I'm aware that the PCB doesnt come in this size on a regular.

robbee · Nov 28, 2023

Would there be any interest in a 170mm set for this card? I'm cooking something up that uses a custom heatsink along with the original fans and a printed shroud. This could be used along with an 8 pin reverse connector. It's a lot more milling than the A2000 because there are more and larger caps, but I should probably have something ready in 1-2 weeks.

RichterSnipes · Nov 28, 2023

robbee said:
Would there be any interest in a 170mm set for this card? I'm cooking something up that uses a custom heatsink along with the original fans and a printed shroud. This could be used along with an 8 pin reverse connector. It's a lot more milling than the A2000 because there are more and larger caps, but I should probably have something ready in 1-2 weeks.

I know I just said that I'd be good with changing to a case that'll fit this card unmodified... but I can't lie. I'd be real interested to hear how this project turns out! Having even a proof-of-concept 4060 LP that can fit in these smaller cases without modifying the case and be cooled decently would be great.

SFFMunkee · Nov 30, 2023

robbee said:
Would there be any interest in a 170mm set for this card? I'm cooking something up that uses a custom heatsink along with the original fans and a printed shroud. This could be used along with an 8 pin reverse connector. It's a lot more milling than the A2000 because there are more and larger caps, but I should probably have something ready in 1-2 weeks.

Show us a PoC and give us a rough estimate on pricing Robbee

Would make me much happier if I could use my 4060 on the X300 and have way less wasted space !

robbee · Dec 1, 2023

SFFMunkee said:
Show us a PoC and give us a rough estimate on pricing Robbee
Would make me much happier if I could use my 4060 on the X300 and have way less wasted space !

Here's what I have at the moment. The concept is very similar to my A2000 heatsink but it uses a 150x50 heatsink to leverage the existing fans. It needs a custom shroud because the initial one is too long and you'll need to use an 8 pin reverse power adapter.

Pricing will probably be similar (70-80 euros). The heatsink is bit cheaper but it requires more milling and there's also the printed part.

RichterSnipes · Dec 1, 2023

robbee said:
Here's what I have at the moment. The concept is very similar to my A2000 heatsink but it uses a 150x50 heatsink to leverage the existing fans. It needs a custom shroud because the initial one is too long and you'll need to use an 8 pin reverse power adapter.

Pricing will probably be similar (70-80 euros). The heatsink is bit cheaper but it requires more milling and there's also the printed part.

Looks great! Tight fit for the fans (as expected), but entirely workable. It'd have been nice if the shroud were more like this to begin with.

I thought I'd ask you since you're here: What do you personally think of the performance of the deshrouded RTX 4060 LP with two Noctua NF-A6x5 PWM fans? Is it good enough to you in testing and real-world usage? You've already tested it for yourself, and your Yocto build video guide shows you using a deshrouded 4060. Also, would you think that equivalent 80mm fans would work better or worse than the 60mm ones? Because maybe that could theoretically work well enough for the ML09...

steelfractal · Dec 2, 2023

robbee said:
Here's what I have at the moment. The concept is very similar to my A2000 heatsink but it uses a 150x50 heatsink to leverage the existing fans. It needs a custom shroud because the initial one is too long and you'll need to use an 8 pin reverse power adapter.

Pricing will probably be similar (70-80 euros). The heatsink is bit cheaper but it requires more milling and there's also the printed part.

Is this standalone or designed to be integrated like the a2k was with yocto

robbee · Dec 2, 2023

steelfractal said:
Is this standalone or designed to be integrated like the a2k was with yocto

Standalone. Actually, the A2000 can be used in many cases other that Yocto too.

0liver · Dec 9, 2023

Ordered mine last week from the US to the UK via Amazon. Including the import fee it came to £311. So happy that this will fit into my Lazer3D HT5. I presume my hdplex 400w hifi dc-atx and 330w dell ac adapter should be enough to run it without any undervolting.

robbee · Dec 9, 2023

robbee said:
It's a lot more milling than the A2000 because there are more and larger caps, but I should probably have something ready in 1-2 weeks.

So I have the first results in. Let's start with the production process:

Milling took a long time because there are much more and higher caps than the A2000 has. Over an hour later, I finilly finished, and came back to this:

As you can see, once I got through the baseplate, the fins didn't have enough support to hold them into place and became very janky. I will need to refine my toolpath or production process to get this better. Oh well, for a protoype, it will do.

After some 'cleaning', it looks half decent. At least it fit the card from the first attempt, so that was nice!

Because I hadn't printed a shroud yet but wanted to know how well this heatsink performed, I decided to try it with the original shroud and fans. Let's start with the good news: it didn't throttle! It did require 100% fan speed to keep it at 80C though.

But don't despair, we still have the good old undervolting. Using the same undervolt as before, 2715 MHz at 915 mV, it performed a whole lot better! 75C at 60% fan speed, which was hardly audible and this was outside of my case. So I guess with a mandatory undervolt, this test can be considered a success.

Next step is to print a shroud and figure out a better production process.

SFFMunkee · Dec 9, 2023

robbee said:
So I have the first results in. Let's start with the production process:

Milling took a long time because there are much more and higher caps than the A2000 has. Over an hour later, I finilly finished, and came back to this:

As you can see, once I got through the baseplate, the fins didn't have enough support to hold them into place and became very janky. I will need to refine my toolpath or production process to get this better. Oh well, for a protoype, it will do.

After some 'cleaning', it looks half decent. At least it fit the card from the first attempt, so that was nice!

Because I hadn't printed a shroud yet but wanted to know how well this heatsink performed, I decided to try it with the original shroud and fans. Let's start with the good news: it didn't throttle! It did require 100% fan speed to keep it at 80C though.

But don't despair, we still have the good old undervolting. Using the same undervolt as before, 2715 MHz at 915 mV, it performed a whole lot better! 75C at 60% fan speed, which was hardly audible and this was outside of my case. So I guess with a mandatory undervolt, this test can be considered a success.

Next step is to print a shroud and figure out a better production process.

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