Have you considered using a combo? For example, a 4mm through-hole PEM standoff, plus a 5+4mm removable standoff?
Chimera Industries Cerberus: The 18L, mATX, USA-made enclosure
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Wouldn't even have to be a standoff. Their press-fit nuts are only like 2mm thick total, which would be enough thread engagement for the standoffs.
Main reason for using a 4mm PEM standoff is it matches the 4mm threaded portion on the removable standoff (which is about as short as they get). This means the standoff won't extend out through the back of the motherboard tray at all, which is important if you no/marginal clearance between the tray and the side panel.
Ah true, didn't think about that. There is a little space there in the Cerberus, IIRC, but it's only the panel thickness of the frame, which is less than 2mm.
The current prototype actually uses PEMSERT nuts that are installed backwards, with the body of the nut on the inside of the motherboard tray. So that gives enough clearance for the male threads on the custom-made standoffs.
The problem is the female threads have really short depth so they require really short screws and there's barely any thread engagement for the motherboard screws. It's #6-32 so using M3 would be marginally better but I'm not happy with hack which is why I switched the production version to fixed standoffs even though it doesn't technically comply with the microATX standard.
The problem is the female threads have really short depth so they require really short screws and there's barely any thread engagement for the motherboard screws. It's #6-32 so using M3 would be marginally better but I'm not happy with hack which is why I switched the production version to fixed standoffs even though it doesn't technically comply with the microATX standard.
I'm very glad to know cerberus. It's so compact and cool case ever i seen. I have 2 questions.
1. Can i meet this case soon? (maybe in this year?)
2. I'm living in Korea. Can i receive this case in Korea?
1. Can i meet this case soon? (maybe in this year?)
2. I'm living in Korea. Can i receive this case in Korea?
Well, it's not like an mATX board in an ATX Cerberus would yield any benefits over ATX I reckon, unless you would be transplanting mATX hardware over. And even then it should still not be worrying since the really tight connectors like the 24-pin and 8-pin are never on that bottom row. And there were only one or two boards with proper SLI support on the bottom PCIe slot.
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1: We do not have a solid timetable yet.
2: We will ship internationally
The main reason I can think of is to have more room for thick radiators on the bottom of the case.
I'm glad this case is becoming a reality. I honestly think the main market for this niche case is obviously the enthusiast, and as such, I kind of wish there was more talk about water cooling support on the main post here, and even the main page.
While I personally am not in the market for this, I know that when this case reaches Linus (...this will happen... right?), he could just cookie cutter put in all of the parts, but I think it would be reaching the full potential of having such a small SLI enclosure if it highlighted custom loop compatibility. Most enthusiasts would be unhappy with going dual founders edition I feel due to noise, so really showcasing that perfect, small, SFF SLI build with a custom loop I think it what will sell this case.
While I personally am not in the market for this, I know that when this case reaches Linus (...this will happen... right?), he could just cookie cutter put in all of the parts, but I think it would be reaching the full potential of having such a small SLI enclosure if it highlighted custom loop compatibility. Most enthusiasts would be unhappy with going dual founders edition I feel due to noise, so really showcasing that perfect, small, SFF SLI build with a custom loop I think it what will sell this case.
Hmm that's a fair point. Would it help if 120mm fans and a 120mm wide radiator was used, but offset away from the motherboard ? Although there will probably be ports that needed accessing, most connectors have 90-degree angled connectors or could maybe fit in a tight spot anyway.
Welcome to the forum! A custom loop is possible with careful selection of parts, but it's not the primary design goal of Cerberus unlike Project mATX or the Compact Splash.
I can neither confirm nor deny
120mm wide rads are much easier to fit but the thickness of the combined rad+fan is still limited before it runs into the bottom card in a dual-GPU setup in Cerberus.
Gordian Solution for those lower three mATX-only mounting holes: Adhesive standoffs. Not elegant, but they're cheap enough that a handful can be thrown in with the case, and their only real purpose is the support the bottom of the board when inserting cards into the lower PCIe slots (ground plane linking accomplished by the other regular standoffs).
Been following this case for a long long time, and while I WANT to downsize (ATX -> mATX) as you said, the mATX motherboard market has been all but forgotten at this point which is a shame. ITX is an option, but the NCASE M1 already exists for that, with new contenders coming out seemingly monthly recently. So, it seems futile to move Cerberus to ITX. I think Cerberus-X still has some uniqueness to it (build materials, still extremely small [for an ATX], and it's internal design geared towards the enthusiast [but not exclusively]) which could make it shine while the motherboard market being infinitely more exciting, and varied in the ATX segment. Providing people with *gasp* choices!
So, to sum it up, I support the move to ATX. Although, I'm disappointed in the motherboard industry for even making us consider this. It really is a chicken and egg problem though.
So, to sum it up, I support the move to ATX. Although, I'm disappointed in the motherboard industry for even making us consider this. It really is a chicken and egg problem though.
If I look at my situation, which has an Ncase M1 v1 in it and am willing to go for an mATX or ATX Cerberus prototype, I can't see myself doing the same for mITX as I feel the Ncase M1 is such a good case with that layout. Although the Cerberus would be more interesting due to the steel frame, infinivents and color options, I can't see myself buying a new case just for those. Maybe if it would cost me $100, but to get it at my doorstep, I'm looking at multiples of that.
If anything, if I need another mITX case, I'd look at more specific projects like the S4 Mini or the LZ7, to name but a few of the many stunning case projects this forum alone has shown me.
My vote for Cerberus or Cerberus X is also for the ATX version, although mATX still has plenty viable builds, just not the amount of choices I'd wish I'd have.
If anything, if I need another mITX case, I'd look at more specific projects like the S4 Mini or the LZ7, to name but a few of the many stunning case projects this forum alone has shown me.
My vote for Cerberus or Cerberus X is also for the ATX version, although mATX still has plenty viable builds, just not the amount of choices I'd wish I'd have.
Cerberus-X (ATX) would be in addition to Cerberus (microATX), not a replacement.
I'm okay with either, although I'm more inclined to get the x99m for my next PC. It's that or the Sabertooth
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