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ASRock’s X600 DeskMini – Finally – Again
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That case looks suspiciously useful if you were to mod a dual-slot GPU in there. Although maybe it's too thinThere are no cooling restrictions for a M-STX board if you use an Akasa case. And 180W settings are not new, my H470M-STX had them too.
Hi,
I saw in a picture on heise.de that the x600 chip can provide 28 PCIe5 lanes in conjunction with a suitable CPU. Does anyone know why I can't use it on this board? The pcie x16 slot is only pcie4 in the specs.
AMD bestätigt chiplosen Chipsatz X600 für Ryzen 7000
Für Embedded-Systeme bietet AMD nun auch Prozessoren mit Zen-4-Architektur und langer Verfügbarkeit an. Zudem kommt ein Chipsatz für kompakte Boards.www.heise.de
direkt link to the picture:
Yes, per your linked article, Zen4 has 28x PCIe5.0 lanes on the onboard IO controller
So I mean it's theoretically possible, but I'm not sure you'll ever see it happen, it would depend on how board manufacturers design the PCB in terms of physical/electrical/signal performance but more importantly how they would be able to market it and actually make money. I'm not entirely sure how it's relevant to this board, however, as there's no x16 slot anyway - only 2x M.2 slots (one of each 5.0 and 4.0)
Oh sry i see the x16 slot on the x600-itx board. The x600m-stx only have 2x M.2 slots. Same Question: why only one with gen5.
Signal integrity and total lanes from the IO die. Remember it doesn't have a chipset in the usual sense
I also just built an X600m with the 8700G for an office environment. I am getting black screens randomly. They are not playing any games on this.
I bought the Kingston 6000mhz instead of the 6400 like everyone else in here.
Dual monitors, one HDMI and one DP.
I turned off EXPO profiles and it still happening (It was at 6000 at first). Turned off PBO and set the TDP back to Auto, still getting blackouts.
So first I guess I should check the cables. I see others getting the black screens. I did see someone say the Ram was getting hot.
What is a good program to check RAM temperatures?
Also are you guys downloading drivers from AMD or just using the ASRock drivers?
8700G
KF560S38IBK2-32
Thermalright axp90-x47 full copper - with a Noctua NF-A9x14 fan (The Thermalright fan was scraping the top of the case)
Thermalright HR-09 2280 SSD Heatsink
Updated to newest stable BIOS, not the alpha.
I bought the Kingston 6000mhz instead of the 6400 like everyone else in here.
Dual monitors, one HDMI and one DP.
I turned off EXPO profiles and it still happening (It was at 6000 at first). Turned off PBO and set the TDP back to Auto, still getting blackouts.
So first I guess I should check the cables. I see others getting the black screens. I did see someone say the Ram was getting hot.
What is a good program to check RAM temperatures?
Also are you guys downloading drivers from AMD or just using the ASRock drivers?
8700G
KF560S38IBK2-32
Thermalright axp90-x47 full copper - with a Noctua NF-A9x14 fan (The Thermalright fan was scraping the top of the case)
Thermalright HR-09 2280 SSD Heatsink
Updated to newest stable BIOS, not the alpha.
I tend to use HWinfo for monitoring temps, and I always use the latest drivers from AMD directly
Is it just the monitor that goes black? I.e. it's not powering off, freezing or crashing?
It was going black and going to sleep. It was closing apps and returning to the lock screen. I disabled sleep mode in Windows and now just occasional black screens, then it's fine for awhile
Very weird. Probably more extreme than necessary but have you tried the 35W TDP/ PPT mode?
I've had to experiment a lot with RAM on my now useless Minisforum UM790 Pro. It has the Phoenix R9 7940HX with the Radeon 780M and uses DDR5-6400 SODIMMs. It actually has a (noisy) RAM fan - and needs it.
You can make and watch (with HWinfo) the RAM temps rise by enabling HDR in Windows for your monitor and play AV1 4K60 HDR videos on youtube. 4K60 HDR is important, because anything less is also less demanding on RAM usage. Now you can watch the temps rising slowly minute by minute.
I haven't yet. I'm going to get the computer back this weekend and work on it. I will tell you what I find out.
The error in event log is Event 4101, Display. Display driver amduw23g stopped responding and successfully recovered. I installed Adrenaline, maybe if I update the drivers it will correct the issue.
The error in event log is Event 4101, Display. Display driver amduw23g stopped responding and successfully recovered.
I installed Adrenaline, and updated all the drivers.
I also enabled the XMP profile for 6000mhz
I am running a 4320p video full screen on an ultrawide and running Cinebench multi core on another screen. The CPU is 90.6 C , but the APU is 74 C and RAM is 62-67 C. Which isn't too bad. No black screens.
It did happen once right after rebooting from driver installation.
Should I try doing something else?
What physical cable are you using? I remember having a bunch of issues a while back with a DisplayPort cable that wasn't up to scratch and kept dropping signal
hello all, am looking at a new x600 build, think this is my preference over a x300, as the there seems more flexibility looking ahead. The premium of going AM5 is only 80GBP also. Looking at :
x600
8500g cpu
Noctua NH-L9a-AM5
Corsair Vengeance SODIMM 32GB (1x32GB) DDR4 3200MHz
WD black SN850x 4tb
any concerns with this configuration?
Looks like bios features and stability should also improve for the AM5 x600 vs x300 AM4 route?
Modding and 3d printing options looks great also (need to look at getting a 3d printer :-) )
x600
8500g cpu
Noctua NH-L9a-AM5
Corsair Vengeance SODIMM 32GB (1x32GB) DDR4 3200MHz
WD black SN850x 4tb
any concerns with this configuration?
Looks like bios features and stability should also improve for the AM5 x600 vs x300 AM4 route?
Modding and 3d printing options looks great also (need to look at getting a 3d printer :-) )
For those interested in trading size for better cooling and noise, here is my approach:
A single 140mm fan (Noctua NF-A14x25 G2) blowing down at 450rpm on idle and up to 650rpm during full load keeps both CPU and memory under 60c. Completely inaudible.
For those interested, I upgraded the memory cooling on my open-air X600
I found these aluminium heat sinks with very good thermal resistance
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I also purchased 3M 8810 thermal tape from aliexpress (wedoheatsink shop), although I have no way of verifying that it is genuine.
The heatinks I previously had were purchased from aliexpress and it is hard to know their thermal resistance and thermal tape's properties. The new ones are bigger (25x25x18mm vs 20x20x10mm; they are so tall that almost collide with the base of the CPU cooler, but you can cut them with pliers) and are made of forged aluminium instead of extruded, which have slightly better thermal conductivity. Also, pin fin heat sinks are supposed to be better for natural cooling (no forced air coming from a fan) and since I usually run my fan below 600rpm I thought it would also help.
I also purchased a thermocouple to have a better grasp of what is going on.
I have double sided memory (Kingston Fury 2x32GB 5600 MT/s CL40 1.1V), therefore it is important to cool chips at both sides.
Extruded aluminium 20x20x10mm heatsinks purchased from aliexpress lowered temps by around 10ºC on the side they are placed and 5ºC on the opposite side compared to naked modules.
Forged aluminium 25x25x18mm pin fin heatsinks lowered temps by further 6-8ºC on both sides.
I was surprised to see how much cooler chips get on the opposite side where heatsinks are placed. I guess this is because within the memory chip, heat is generated closer to the PCB instead of the surface, dissipating it to the rest of the module. Also, temperatures throughout each memory module are very even (due to SODIMM being so compact?). Even with a massive heatsink in one side of the module, the difference between the coldest and the hottest part of the module (in the opposite side) was around 5ºC. Also, since heatsinks are not cooling the SPD chip, temps reported by the module are coincidentally quite close to the module's hotspot temp, making it much easier to compare different heatsinks.
As expected, the memory module with worse temperatures is the one closer to the CPU, which have less airflow due to it being closer to the fan's centre. In fact, the airflow is so small in that region (with the fan at 600RPM) that most heat goes up by natural convection instead of being blown away by the fan (I could clearly see this with the thermocouple). For this reason, that memory module was around 5ºC hotter than the outmost module. To compensate for this, I cut few heatsinks down to 6-7mm height and placed them on the other side (between the modules, that has a 9mm gap) and temps went down by 2-3ºC on both sides without negatively affecting the other memory module.
After all this, both memory modules sit at around 50ºC actual chip surface temperature at full load (furmark, 24ºC ambient, fan@600RPM) which is quite impressive.
I am no longer worried about buying 1.35V memory modules anymore.
edit: If you decide to install similar heatsinks and want remove them later on, do it by gently pushing and twisting instead of pulling, that way the risk of ripping away memory chips is close to none.
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Debian is anyone else running Debian 12?
Just built mine with a 8500g and looks like stuck in 800*600 resolution. There are no other resolutions available. Reading around suggests not much in the way of drivers.
May have to try, Ubuntu to see if any better...
Just built mine with a 8500g and looks like stuck in 800*600 resolution. There are no other resolutions available. Reading around suggests not much in the way of drivers.
May have to try, Ubuntu to see if any better...
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