ASRock’s X600 DeskMini – Finally – Again
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Hi, tell me when you tested the BIOS "4.06" still contained the "Performance Mode" function in the BIOS settings that allows to exceed the current usage limitation (at 120 Watts original) of the motherboard or not? Because this option has apparently been removed from the final BIOS "4.08".
It might be that this function has only been removed from the bios menu but is still functional if you edit the values with a tool like RU.efi
Many overclocking functions on laptops are actually still working even if they are not visible in the bios menu. This page explains how to do this:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-of-your-low-power-u-series-intel-cpu.297210/
Maybe the same principle can be applied to this bios...
new deskmini x600 with usb4 announced. asrock low key admit they betrayed us with the crap x600 of last year.
Here: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=5557
But, honestly I don't think we should expect a revolution either, it seems to be just a variant of the DeskMini X600 to which we would have replaced the D-SUB (VGA) port with a USB 4.0 port, nothing more, something that is already easily feasible by using the secondary M.2 port (for example) to install an M.2 expansion card with USB 4.0 controller, something that I already do personally but with an M.2 expansion card with USB 3.2gen2 (10Gb/s) controller which allows me to have two additional USB Type-C 10Gb/s ports for an additional investment of only approximately 25usd.
Yes i think the sucky part you cannot add on a usb4 accessories to original x600m.
This seems a new motherboard change that is more fitting for APU like other mini PC already out there.
Zen4 and Zen5 G-APU already sacrifised a PCIE5x4 for USB4, the og x600m was lazy Am4 quick money grab
Asrock needs to allow motherboard rma of older users!
This seems a new motherboard change that is more fitting for APU like other mini PC already out there.
Zen4 and Zen5 G-APU already sacrifised a PCIE5x4 for USB4, the og x600m was lazy Am4 quick money grab
Asrock needs to allow motherboard rma of older users!
Any chance we’ll see USB-PD as well? That would be ideal!
A socketed board with USB4/PD/DP-alt would mean one cable portable machine that’s upgradable! Pipe dream though I fear.
But yeah the current X600 is a joke as it loses out on features to cheaper boards and mini PCs even with the same chip, lets not even go into availability.
A socketed board with USB4/PD/DP-alt would mean one cable portable machine that’s upgradable! Pipe dream though I fear.
But yeah the current X600 is a joke as it loses out on features to cheaper boards and mini PCs even with the same chip, lets not even go into availability.
Yes, they can draw a lot more power if the temperatures allow it. But the Deskmini caps the power quite a bit (~90W max).
They probably mean 'Desktop' in terms that it is socketed... user install/replaceable.
The chip itself was mainly designed for Mobile and started there long before it finally arrived on Desktop as a "8700G".
For the most part there is no difference between Mobile and Desktop... There is however a difference between monolithic CPU/APU's and CPU/APU's that consists of multiple chips. Here monolithic tends to be more efficient and capable of turning the power draw further down.
8700G is monolithic and the X600 doesn't use a chipset...
Agree with the above, 'desktop' as in desktop-class / socketed.
However the 8000G are first and foremost mobile designs that have been adapted to the AM5 socket with a monolithic design and reduced PCIe lanes etc.
FWIW the 8600G/8700G run EXTREMELY well at lower power limits as well, so you can get 80% of performance at a 35W limit.*
I'll have a full spreadsheet of various tests in the coming weeks (maybe months depending on my free time) from my own testing with X600M-STX / 8600G/8700G which will include the impact of power limits and memory speeds on different synthetic workloads.
* This figure is just a guesstimate, I haven't actually gone back to check my specific numbers yet
I wish that the Deskmini had more up to date features. It is lacking in usb ports (yes, I know you can add 2 new ones but i've read that this requires a ribbon that can get in the way of other stuff inside the box) and lacks USB 4.0. People say its cooling is not so great. So I am not sure it's the best mini for me. Making a new post about this.
You can use Ryzen Master, but you'll lose settings on reboot unless you have the "write PBO to BIOS" setting enabled.
I prefer to do it through the BIOS itself, but each to their own
Cooling options are totally adequate for a 65W chip, though I can't recommend the original cooler itself - I'd suggest either the Wraith Stealth (that you should get with the 8600G/8700G) with the shroud removed, it's a bit fiddly but fits, or if you've got the cash for it the Noctua L9A is even better.
I'm testing a these different coolers as well, so hopefully can have that data for you soon.
Just remember that current gen chips are designed to bounce off the thermal limiter - even if it feels wrong, due to high temp readings, the boost algorithm does seem to work.
Is there an X600TM-ITX yet?
::EDIT:: Looks like yes https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X600TM-ITX/
Seems hard to get your hands on it:
Motherboard - Asrock X600TM-ITX
Not sure if this been covered but this Thin Mini-ITX Asrock AM5 board takes an Intel cooler?
smallformfactor.net
Ryzen Master is great for testing different parameters... and then when you have found the ideal settings for you, you set it in the BIOS. Talking just about the power limit, there might be a point where the chip delivers 90% of the performance at 60% of the power draw. Here, I wouldn't give it 40% more power just to get the 100% I technically paid for out of it. Insisting on 100% quickly leads to spending more on cooling: 90% performance just the chip (250€) vs. 100% performance same chip (250€) + heatsink (50€).
Yes, I've seen it... but hard to get as @BaK noted, and I'm also looking for something with a x16 slot and regular DDR5 otherwise one could harvest the mini-STX from a Deskmini.
You can use Ryzen Master, but you'll lose settings on reboot unless you have the "write PBO to BIOS" setting enabled.
I prefer to do it through the BIOS itself, but each to their own
Cooling options are totally adequate for a 65W chip, though I can't recommend the original cooler itself - I'd suggest either the Wraith Stealth (that you should get with the 8600G/8700G) with the shroud removed, it's a bit fiddly but fits, or if you've got the cash for it the Noctua L9A is even better.
I'm testing a these different coolers as well, so hopefully can have that data for you soon.
Just remember that current gen chips are designed to bounce off the thermal limiter - even if it feels wrong, due to high temp readings, the boost algorithm does seem to work.
Is there an X600TM-ITX yet?
::EDIT:: Looks like yes https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X600TM-ITX/
Thermalright AXP90 CU works really well too.
You can swap the 90mm fan with a thin 100mm from Thermalrigh too.
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