ASRock’s X600 DeskMini – Finally – Again
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hello everyone!
i have put together and used my x600 with a 9800x3d and an oculink egpu for about two weeks now and everything is going absolutely perfect. i've been using an x47 as I ordered it before getting the mini pc and I wasn't sure whether or not I was going to use the original case or make a custom one. turns out I'm going to build a custom one since I would've had too much to cut out the old one to make sense, so I stuck with the orignal plan of replacing the x47 with an x53 since those extra mm's wouldn't bother me too much and temps would definitely enjoy it.
now to the actual question, this was my first amd cpu, my first modern cpu installation and overall my first cpu install in a couple of years, so I'm not too confident in my thermal paste game. I'm attaching the pictures I've taken of my thermal paste application when I removed the x47 and I'd like to know if there's something wrong with it or if it's fine, since it does look rather thin to me. also, the installation of the cooler wasn't that easy and I'm debating whether it was me, something wrong or just how it's suppoed to be.
i have put together and used my x600 with a 9800x3d and an oculink egpu for about two weeks now and everything is going absolutely perfect. i've been using an x47 as I ordered it before getting the mini pc and I wasn't sure whether or not I was going to use the original case or make a custom one. turns out I'm going to build a custom one since I would've had too much to cut out the old one to make sense, so I stuck with the orignal plan of replacing the x47 with an x53 since those extra mm's wouldn't bother me too much and temps would definitely enjoy it.
now to the actual question, this was my first amd cpu, my first modern cpu installation and overall my first cpu install in a couple of years, so I'm not too confident in my thermal paste game. I'm attaching the pictures I've taken of my thermal paste application when I removed the x47 and I'd like to know if there's something wrong with it or if it's fine, since it does look rather thin to me. also, the installation of the cooler wasn't that easy and I'm debating whether it was me, something wrong or just how it's suppoed to be.
Looks perfect to me. Eventhough it may look very thin that is how it is supposed to be. You can also see on the cooler that there was overflow. The space between the heatsink and the CPU should be extremely small if the correct amount of mounting pressure was applied, and the thermal paste is supposed to be there just to fill the microscopic gaps.
There is no harm in applying more thermal paste than necessary (as long as it is not electrically conductive). I also like to apply enough for it to overflow to be sure there is enough. Never had a problem that way (and I've also replaced thermal paste of GPUs which are much more sensitive to not having enough due to direct die cooling)
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thanks for the answer. I noticed too the overflow on the side of the heatsink which made me think that it was alright, but the pattern on it looks almost like it's too tight perhaps? it was a pain to get the x47 to screw on, the threaded rods (the long ones) were barely poking out and I had to push quite hard the cooler down (guess I was squeezing down the rubber rings that are on the rods themselves) in order to have any thread on the other side. I'm going to watch some installation videos since I just did number research prior, just to see other people's experience on that. came here mainly because I know a lot of people are running this very cooler and I remember coming across someone complaining about the installation too.
Each cooler mounting system is different, but there should always be a good amount of mounting pressure. This is also required for the CPU to make good contact with the pins in the socket.
Your pattern looks very good (not talking about the wrinkles, that is just an artifact of the thermal paste moving to fill the voids when the cooler is removed). In a perfect world the contact between the base of the heatsink and the CPU should be so perfect that there is no space for any thermal paste to be in there. The areas with almost no thermal paste are areas with very good contact, that is a good sign, not a bad one. That is how it is supposed to be.
There are always areas of high pressure and low pressure. Eventhough it seems that there is a massive difference (due to areas with no thermal paste and other areas with thermal paste), in reality those areas are almost the same. It is extremely hard to manufacture a perfect contact between the heatsink and the CPU. What you are seeing are microscopic gaps. I would consider a problem if there would be no areas with almost no thermal paste (many things could cause that, like not enough mounting pressure or heatsink base not mating the top of the CPU properly due to shape and/or flatness mismatch).
I recommend you to watch this video to understand this topic in more detail
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Can you take a picture of your X600 with eGPU over oculink. What are you exactly using ?
unfortunately I'm still waiting for the cooler so it's torn apart at the moment. also, I'm still waiting to get a 4080 so I'm using my old trusty 1070 and an atx psu, other then that it's just your standard oculink setup. I got mine off AliExpress, literally done nothing besides connecting the display port to the card and installing drivers. I didn't even need to disable the radeon graphics as of now. if you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Hi!
Did you end up trying the 4070?
I tried using my RTX 3060 Ti with it, but I’m running into a lot of issues with the drivers (Error 43 and other problems).
I’d love to know if it’s just a problem with my JHH-Link Dock 6, or if it could be related to BIOS/drivers.
Thanks!
Sam
hey man!
nope, didn't manage to get a reasonably priced 4080 so I just went with a new 7900 xtx. set up with the ocup4v2 was flawless, I tried the egpu on both slots with both the included m.2 to oculink adapter and one of those with an extended cable and I had zero issues. I did have loads of issues with the amd drivers that I'm 99% positive weren't fault of the setup (oculink is just a matter of whether it works properly or not, no in between considering there's no protocol like with usb4/thunderbolt) but I managed to resolve them (at least for now) by installing Amernime modded drivers.
head over to egpu.io and if you're not able to find a solution already posted I'm sure they're going to be more helpful then I am.
btw, had zero issues with the 1070 when I used it, although I don't know if such archaic gpu's suffered from the error 43 too lol
also, never had to disable the igpu, never had to tamper with the bios (related to igpu/gpu/m.2 slots).
Hi!
After countless attempts to get it working with the JHHLink Dock6, I ended up switching to the Minisforum DEG1.
It worked perfectly right out of the box—no issues with drivers or anything else.
In the end, it was just a matter of signal degradation with the old dock
For your future build you won't be having any issues
Thanks for the answer and have a nice day
hello, new X600 owner here
and testing probably best possible combination for this system (performance/price) = 8600G + AXP90-X47 FULL
1/ first of all, i don't understand how you don't mind something so noisy? this has not been discussed in detail anywhere only that Noctua is the quietest, but it is for 61W TDP and is expensive (TR X47 costs half as much here)... anyway, mini PCs are not supposed to be seen, but they are also not supposed to be heard! (by my standards) ... what is such a "mini" vacuum cleaner good for?
=in the case of X47, you just need to turn the fan to blow air out, which really helps a lot, BUT maybe I have a better solution, ...see at the end...
+ECO mode 35W all the way (under load it takes max 70-75W) ... and it will help the power adapter a lot too
2/ I also don't understand how someone can write that there is no problem with installing X47? yes, attaching the heatsink is easy, but thanks to the metal brackets for the fan, the whole PC can't be opened/closed freely at all and sooner or later something will get damaged
=if you want to open the PC more often with AXP90-X47, I would use only the heatsink itself and attach the fan differently
3/ the blinking blue LED in sleep mode is really annoying
=so far no nice solution, you can't switch it in the bios, you can't disconnect the cable, so the only way is to somehow remove the LED and tape it? I don't know yet
4/ I didn't expect blackscreen reboots so often... just start a demanding game, put it in the background (minimize) and do something in windows and it crashes in a while (no error just restart)
=it's strange, my whole setup is pretty basic, no overclocking, 5600mhz 1.1v memory etc (bios 4.10)
anyway for me the biggest problem is the noise under load
=so in my opinion a better solution is to use a cheap Arctic P12 Slim 120mm x 15mm which is quieter due to its size and doesn't have to be attached, because the X47 heatsink presses it against the grid... and whats more it can suck air in! (no need to say what that means for RAM and SSD!)
and testing probably best possible combination for this system (performance/price) = 8600G + AXP90-X47 FULL
1/ first of all, i don't understand how you don't mind something so noisy? this has not been discussed in detail anywhere only that Noctua is the quietest, but it is for 61W TDP and is expensive (TR X47 costs half as much here)... anyway, mini PCs are not supposed to be seen, but they are also not supposed to be heard! (by my standards) ... what is such a "mini" vacuum cleaner good for?
=in the case of X47, you just need to turn the fan to blow air out, which really helps a lot, BUT maybe I have a better solution, ...see at the end...
+ECO mode 35W all the way (under load it takes max 70-75W) ... and it will help the power adapter a lot too
2/ I also don't understand how someone can write that there is no problem with installing X47? yes, attaching the heatsink is easy, but thanks to the metal brackets for the fan, the whole PC can't be opened/closed freely at all and sooner or later something will get damaged
=if you want to open the PC more often with AXP90-X47, I would use only the heatsink itself and attach the fan differently
3/ the blinking blue LED in sleep mode is really annoying
=so far no nice solution, you can't switch it in the bios, you can't disconnect the cable, so the only way is to somehow remove the LED and tape it? I don't know yet
4/ I didn't expect blackscreen reboots so often... just start a demanding game, put it in the background (minimize) and do something in windows and it crashes in a while (no error just restart)
=it's strange, my whole setup is pretty basic, no overclocking, 5600mhz 1.1v memory etc (bios 4.10)
anyway for me the biggest problem is the noise under load
=so in my opinion a better solution is to use a cheap Arctic P12 Slim 120mm x 15mm which is quieter due to its size and doesn't have to be attached, because the X47 heatsink presses it against the grid... and whats more it can suck air in! (no need to say what that means for RAM and SSD!)
Go one step further:anyway for me the biggest problem is the noise under load
=so in my opinion a better solution is to use a cheap Arctic P12 Slim 120mm x 15mm which is quieter due to its size and doesn't have to be attached, because the X47 heatsink presses it against the grid... and whats more it can suck air in! (no need to say what that means for RAM and SSD!)
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Hi Guys. Im another user of deskmini x600.
Im running it with 8700G, 2x16GB Kingston Fury KF564S38-16 @6400MHz 38-40-40-80-120 1.25V, 780m @3100MHz, bios 4.10, AXP90-X47 (basic)
best what i can do is this: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/55651583 performance of 8600G instead of 8700G
I tried PBO enable, different UMA buffers, different RAM frequencies and timings and voltages, everything in article or previous comments.
But I noticed VRAM frequency dips during games and benchmarks. No idea why. See picture below. Temperatures are OK (63C for worse module)
During timespy GPU utilization is 100%, power in peak up to 88W.
Im running it with 8700G, 2x16GB Kingston Fury KF564S38-16 @6400MHz 38-40-40-80-120 1.25V, 780m @3100MHz, bios 4.10, AXP90-X47 (basic)
best what i can do is this: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/55651583 performance of 8600G instead of 8700G
I tried PBO enable, different UMA buffers, different RAM frequencies and timings and voltages, everything in article or previous comments.
But I noticed VRAM frequency dips during games and benchmarks. No idea why. See picture below. Temperatures are OK (63C for worse module)
During timespy GPU utilization is 100%, power in peak up to 88W.
I would focus on the CPU test because it should be higher and it removes lots of variables. Install HWInfo and run the sensor window and check what happens during the CPU test (you can see HWInfo if you run 3DMark in window mode with a custom run). Make sure the effective clock of all CPU threads reaches the expected frequency. I would also try limiting the CPU frequency (you can do this with the windows power plan under Processor Power Management -> Maximum processor state; set it to like 80%) to see if the CPU is eating the power budget of the memory controller (although this shouldn't happen with 88W budget to be honest).Hi Guys. Im another user of deskmini x600.
Im running it with 8700G, 2x16GB Kingston Fury KF564S38-16 @6400MHz 38-40-40-80-120 1.25V, 780m @3100MHz, bios 4.10, AXP90-X47 (basic)
best what i can do is this: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/55651583 performance of 8600G instead of 8700G
I tried PBO enable, different UMA buffers, different RAM frequencies and timings and voltages, everything in article or previous comments.
But I noticed VRAM frequency dips during games and benchmarks. No idea why. See picture below. Temperatures are OK (63C for worse module)
During timespy GPU utilization is 100%, power in peak up to 88W.
Even with a limit of 45W (around 3.5~4.0GHz CPU clock) I get 10800 CPU score (I know my RAM is running at 7600 MT/s but it shouldn't affect the score that much)
edit: DDR5 modules don't have the ability to thermal throttle, so high temperatures would just lead to unstable system
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Currently I have 10 424 points on cpu, 2575 gscore, I have curve optimizer on CPU all cores -40, by ryzen master
I set maximum power state to 80%, highest score ever.
I set maximum power state to 80%, highest score ever.
Limiting the CPU maximum frequency seemed to help with the memory clock dropping. If you have a "Power saver" plan in windows, try it to see what happens. That one may be better at assigning power more efficiently to different parts of the chip.
Beyond that, maybe you can only increase performance with memory frequency and timings.
Well, I get the rid of those PBO+CO stuff..
I set Vcore to 1.2V, CPU 4.8GHz, RAM + GPU without changes.
In CPU-z benchmark Im getting same score as on 5.1GHz with PBO+CO.
In 3Dmark i have minimum memory frequency dips, but score is OK something like 10800p CPU, 2800p GPU.
But I noticed significant improvements in games. Im getting stable memory clocks, lower micro stuttering, boost in FPS and overall smoothness is on another level.
Looks like this MB and PSU down want handle more than 87W on package.
I noticed in different YT video with 8700G, it can with PBO+CO climb over 120W on package.
So my conclusion is, the 8700G is too good for this barebone PC and 8600G is better choice.
I set Vcore to 1.2V, CPU 4.8GHz, RAM + GPU without changes.
In CPU-z benchmark Im getting same score as on 5.1GHz with PBO+CO.
In 3Dmark i have minimum memory frequency dips, but score is OK something like 10800p CPU, 2800p GPU.
But I noticed significant improvements in games. Im getting stable memory clocks, lower micro stuttering, boost in FPS and overall smoothness is on another level.
Looks like this MB and PSU down want handle more than 87W on package.
I noticed in different YT video with 8700G, it can with PBO+CO climb over 120W on package.
So my conclusion is, the 8700G is too good for this barebone PC and 8600G is better choice.
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