Discussion RTX 3000 Series ITX Cards

[Oizon]

It's less than a week left for 3060 Ti release date, guys. I really hope there will be an ITX version of this GPU to fit in my K39v2. It is rumored to perform at RXT 2080 Super level.

The problem is that most sources indicate that it will be a 200W card *facepalm* and most likely not 180W. It will also be based on a same GPU die as 3070 (GA104 ) but will be only partially unlocked... just like RTX 3090 and RTX 3080 cards which are based on same GPU die as well (GA102) and they are rated at 350W for RTX 3090 and 320W for RTX 3080 (which is 10% less than 3090).

RTX 3060 Ti will be based on same GPU die as GTX 3070 - which is rated for 220W so... If we take same formula as we took for 3090+3090 cards we get (220W minus 10% = 200W ) that is why I'm thinking that 3060 Ti will have 200W and it will be the reason for NOT making ITX variant of it *sob*

Just food for thought. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and I really hope I am!!! Otherwise we will have to wait for RTX 3060 non Ti version which will be based on even smaller new GPU die that will definitely be 180W or less.

to sum up:
RTX 3090 = GA102-300-A1 = 350W
RTX 3080 = GA102-200-KD-A1 = 320W
RTX 3070 = GA104-300-A1 = 220W
RTX 3060 Ti = GA104-200-A1 = 200W (most likely) or MAY BE 180W (math says 200W, my heart says 180W )
RTX 3060 = GA106-300-A1 = 180W (rumored)
RTX 3050 Ti = GA106-200-A1 = 180W (rumored)

 

[lilipeipei]

Hopefully EVGA 3060TI XC3 would be the first 30 card that fits in S4M without any mod

EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB XC | VideoCardz.net

VideoCardz.net Graphics Cards Database

videocardz.net

 

[Oizon]

@lilipeipei
Thanks for the link! The bad thing for me is that there is no ITX-labeled version in that list I want to cry now. Also it looks like this one won't fit in K39v2 + Velka 3 *sob* Bad news for me. 180mm long GPU is the absolute max as far as I know. This one looks more like 200ish+ mm to me. I might have to wait for some1 to measure PCBs on these and may be buy the smallest one and then come up with some custom cooling solution for it... I'd rather have a specialised ITX card to slam it inside without any hard mods ;-/

 

[SFFManiac07]

@lilipeipei
Thanks for the link! The bad thing for me is that there is no ITX-labeled version in that list I want to cry now. Also it looks like this one won't fit in K39v2 + Velka 3 *sob* Bad news for me. 180mm long GPU is the absolute max as far as I know. This one looks more like 200ish+ mm to me. I might have to wait for some1 to measure PCBs on these and may be buy the smallest one and then come up with some custom cooling solution for it... I'd rather have a specialised ITX card to slam it inside without any hard mods ;-/

Or you can do what I did with my MSI Ventus 1660Ti in my S3 case

 

[Oizon]

@SFFManiac07

Nice one! It reminds me of a Hot Rod. I've not yet had any experience with water cooling yet but might give it a try. Also this case looks pretty nice too. Big plus for me is the ability to fit longer card compared to K39 but on the negative side for me is only 40cm CPU cooler height. Great build!

 

[ParallaxStax]

The EVGA 3060ti XC Gaming is dual slot, 110 by 201.8 mm. This seems to be the smallest 30XX gpu so far.

 

[Revenant]

The EVGA 3060ti XC Gaming is dual slot, 110 by 201.8 mm. This seems to be the smallest 30XX gpu so far.

Soooooooooo close for me. The MI-6 case though is limited to 190mm. I do own a hacksaw though...

 

[Oizon]

According to my research reference RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3070 have same size PCB. 3070 has extra power phase for GPU voltage and 10% more TDP/power draw than 3060 Ti. Also 3070 is considered to be fully unlocked but some sources point that it is about 95% unlocked to be fair. 3060 Ti is based on same DIE and is about 70-80% unlocked compared to 3070.

Also I found out that most partner models have actually higher TDP ratings than stated. For example RTX 3060 Ti Gigabyte has around 20%+ higher power draw than reference model and Asus model has around 15%+ or so higher TDP as well according to tests from different sources. But they state they have same power draw on their official sites. Also PCBs on most partner models are longer than the FE models.

So I have measured those FE models PCBs and I can say it's about 170mm in length (both 3060 Ti and 3070) Pulled all of my hair out trying to find PCB length information to no avail. Later I found a video where streamer compared length of PCB to a memory stick while he put that RAM stick right to one of the PCB edges. After that I found that same exact memory stick size info and compared PCB photos to that stick size and got my number: 170mm PCB length not more. This was a long process but I'm sure it is very accurate.

Now after seeing 3060 Ti release and not seeing ITX models I'm thinking to try to get 3070 with small PCB and modify cooling solution to be efficient enough and fit into small case like mine. My case (K39v2) can fit only 180mm GPU.

Solution 1: Some kind of water cooling mod. Not sure if I can fit any kind of radiator inside the case. Most likely outside but I want to keep all of my stuff inside as much as possible.
Solution 2: Aftermarket air cooling (Radiator + fan combo) I have not found anything small enough yet. The smallest I have found so far is ARCTIC Accelero Mono Plus VGA Cooler - 138x136x51mm = 200W TDP but it is too tall and not powerful enough. May be some1 knows anything better? let me know please.
Solution 3: Saw off part of the radiator from some card with small enough PCB / Drill a hole in the side of the case to be able to fit the 200mm+ card. (these kind of solutions are less favourable for me)
Solution 4: Buy a new case that will be bigger (bad thing for me) and will be able to fit 230ish mm card *this is the last resort solution*
Solution 5: Wait for 3060 / 3050 Ti cards that will be released in January 2021 and may be will have ITX variant. ( but those card wont be good enough for 2K gaming on high settings which I'm planning to do with this build)

if you guys can come with some better solution let me know please. Or may be post some pictures / guide with how you've done it. Like SFFManiac07 ;-) I wish you all the best of luck!

 

[Diamorif]

You'd probably not find a watercooling solution for the K39 that can handle a 3060/70, space is too limited. There are a few CCD Mi-6 case knockoffs that have an optional tophat for a 120mm aio (ACAT S1 for example), maybe a card with a short PCB will get a custom waterblock that would fit the dimensions and you could rig a custom loop in. A lot of those cases are available for something like $120 plus shipping.

I managed to fit a 645lt in the PSU bay on a pico powered APU build in the K39, but that was without a fan on a 3400g with two fans attached to the side panels for some sembalance of airflow. the only watercooled K39 I've seen is this one but that relies on niche parts and heavy case mods to work.

 

[SFFManiac07]

According to my research reference RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3070 have same size PCB. 3070 has extra power phase for GPU voltage and 10% more TDP/power draw than 3060 Ti. Also 3070 is considered to be fully unlocked but some sources point that it is about 95% unlocked to be fair. 3060 Ti is based on same DIE and is about 70-80% unlocked compared to 3070.

Also I found out that most partner models have actually higher TDP ratings than stated. For example RTX 3060 Ti Gigabyte has around 20%+ higher power draw than reference model and Asus model has around 15%+ or so higher TDP as well according to tests from different sources. But they state they have same power draw on their official sites. Also PCBs on most partner models are longer than the FE models.

So I have measured those FE models PCBs and I can say it's about 170mm in length (both 3060 Ti and 3070) Pulled all of my hair out trying to find PCB length information to no avail. Later I found a video where streamer compared length of PCB to a memory stick while he put that RAM stick right to one of the PCB edges. After that I found that same exact memory stick size info and compared PCB photos to that stick size and got my number: 170mm PCB length not more. This was a long process but I'm sure it is very accurate.

Now after seeing 3060 Ti release and not seeing ITX models I'm thinking to try to get 3070 with small PCB and modify cooling solution to be efficient enough and fit into small case like mine. My case (K39v2) can fit only 180mm GPU.

Solution 1: Some kind of water cooling mod. Not sure if I can fit any kind of radiator inside the case. Most likely outside but I want to keep all of my stuff inside as much as possible.
Solution 2: Aftermarket air cooling (Radiator + fan combo) I have not found anything small enough yet. The smallest I have found so far is ARCTIC Accelero Mono Plus VGA Cooler - 138x136x51mm = 200W TDP but it is too tall and not powerful enough. May be some1 knows anything better? let me know please.
Solution 3: Saw off part of the radiator from some card with small enough PCB / Drill a hole in the side of the case to be able to fit the 200mm+ card. (these kind of solutions are less favourable for me)
Solution 4: Buy a new case that will be bigger (bad thing for me) and will be able to fit 230ish mm card *this is the last resort solution*
Solution 5: Wait for 3060 / 3050 Ti cards that will be released in January 2021 and may be will have ITX variant. ( but those card wont be good enough for 2K gaming on high settings which I'm planning to do with this build)

if you guys can come with some better solution let me know please. Or may be post some pictures / guide with how you've done it. Like SFFManiac07 ;-) I wish you all the best of luck!

Dude, Asus has announced the RTX 3060Ti Dual Mini OC model yesterday

ASUS’ new GeForce RTX 3060 Ti series graphics cards - PCR

The new ASUS series of graphics cards that debuts with the latest NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GPU inc

www.pcr-online.biz

Also, apparently PNY has a 3060Ti with a tiny pcb, you can have a look at it if you're gonna watercool

PNY Announces its GeForce RTX 3060 Ti XLR8 Graphics Cards

PNY today announced the expansion of its NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPU product portfolio by adding the new RTX 3060 Ti. PNY is launching two RTX 3060 Ti models: the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB under the XLR8 Gaming brand and the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti UPRISING under the PNY brand...

www.techpowerup.com

Just check out how small the PCB is.

 

[SFFManiac07]

You'd probably not find a watercooling solution for the K39 that can handle a 3060/70, space is too limited. There are a few CCD Mi-6 case knockoffs that have an optional tophat for a 120mm aio (ACAT S1 for example), maybe a card with a short PCB will get a custom waterblock that would fit the dimensions and you could rig a custom loop in. A lot of those cases are available for something like $120 plus shipping.

I managed to fit a 645lt in the PSU bay on a pico powered APU build in the K39, but that was without a fan on a 3400g with two fans attached to the side panels for some sembalance of airflow. the only watercooled K39 I've seen is this one but that relies on niche parts and heavy case mods to work.

Oh hey dude, I remember seeing your build on reddit, epic stuff you did there!

 

[Diamorif]

that wasn't my build. was just citing it as the best example of what was done in the case for watercooling. my k39 is fairly vanilla i'm afraid.

 

[scatterforce]

The MSI 3070 Twin Fan is a true 2 slot GPU with a very short PCB. 8+6 pin design at 230mm.

MSI GeForce RTX 3070 TWIN FAN OC

With the clean design, the MSI RTX 3070 TWIN FAN OC is perfect for gamers and case modders who are looking for something different. The dual-fan thermal design uses custom fan design with a unique curve to enhance heat dissipation by generating more airf

www.msi.com

While the ASUS Dual Mini is smaller, the MSI card has a shorter PCB.

 

[SFFManiac07]

So...do you guys think it's possible that manufacturers would release ITX 3070 single fan cards like last gen RTX 2000 series single fan cards?

 

[paullusty]

So...do you guys think it's possible that manufacturers would release ITX 3070 single fan cards like last gen RTX 2000 series single fan cards?

I think the gerneral consensus is no as the 3070 requires far too much power and you won't get enough cooling with a single fan. Heck, it almost seems like a bit of a stretch if we will get a single fan 3060ti right now

 

[Skripka]

Dude, Asus has announced the RTX 3060Ti Dual Mini OC model yesterday

ASUS’ new GeForce RTX 3060 Ti series graphics cards - PCR

The new ASUS series of graphics cards that debuts with the latest NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti GPU inc

www.pcr-online.biz

Also, apparently PNY has a 3060Ti with a tiny pcb, you can have a look at it if you're gonna watercool

PNY Announces its GeForce RTX 3060 Ti XLR8 Graphics Cards

PNY today announced the expansion of its NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPU product portfolio by adding the new RTX 3060 Ti. PNY is launching two RTX 3060 Ti models: the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB under the XLR8 Gaming brand and the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti UPRISING under the PNY brand...

www.techpowerup.com

Just check out how small the PCB is.

Having a 2070 mini DUAL OC at the moment...I'd be a bit concerned about using the exact same cooler on a card with 20% more total board power. I mean, yes, the cooler can probably do it for a 3060Ti, but I'd love for that cooling solution to be less obnoxious when doing its job.

 

[SFFManiac07]

Having a 2070 mini DUAL OC at the moment...I'd be a bit concerned about using the exact same cooler on a card with 20% more total board power. I mean, yes, the cooler can probably do it for a 3060Ti, but I'd love for that cooling solution to be less obnoxious when doing its job.

Let's hope it does rhe job well, might be a win win for us guys eh?

 

[Skripka]

Let's hope it does rhe job well, might be a win win for us guys eh?

Yup. For reference, with 60% fan speed the card is on the loud side...it can only keep the GPU to 72C, which isn't great compared to other 2070s. Of course, on cold boot the card spins to 100% RPM, for a second, for no real reason which is also annoying.

I gave a go at getting a 3060Ti on a lark at BestBuy. Made it to checkout twice. But they only were allowing local pickup. And none of the BestBuys within 300 miles were getting stock--so they refused to take my money. Go figure. Oh well. TBH at this point I'll just skip the entire 2020 hardware release--none of it will be available to even buy until the DDR5 CPUs are out and RDNA3 is being leaked.

Indeed all these impossible to buy Ampere cards...are getting superseded already with newer models come January...that we also won't be able to buy either.

 

[Elaman]

Indeed all these impossible to buy Ampere cards...are getting superseded already with newer models come January...that we also won't be able to buy either.

I agree with you. In the meantime, shall we discuss about alternative ways to play the games that haven't quite been released yet, maybe on the consoles which we can't find in stock, and get our bodies ready for those vaccines we can't yet take.

 

[Revenant]

I managed to snag a 3070 today from New Egg. Almost managed a 3080 but I miss clicked. I used the Apple pay technique to get it on the 7PM drop.