Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

[ciaran clare]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.


Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

 

[robojim]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.


Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

I think we just don't know yet

 

[gwertheim]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.


Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

Build a time machine, go into the future and find out. While your there get some stock tips to make yourself some money.


EDIT: I am sorry for the sarcastic comment. You walked right into it

 

[DrLeroy]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.


Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

I am also on the fence for Ampere or Big Navi, and this will be part of my decision, my concern though will also be, are we likely to see the PCIe gen 4 risers ship with the T1 soon, W360 did mention working on it a while ago, I've missed the drop of the T1 every Friday so far, but now am thinking i may as well just wait for an updated model with gen4 riser, as i won't be building in mine till i get a new GPU anyway.

 

[TSOF]

People acting like we’ve not had 3-400watt cards before. It’s not that big of a deal. Obviously you’d prefer much lower tdp, but... it is what it is.

 

[ciaran clare]

I am also on the fence for Ampere or Big Navi, and this will be part of my decision, my concern though will also be, are we likely to see the PCIe gen 4 risers ship with the T1 soon, W360 did mention working on it a while ago, I've missed the drop of the T1 every Friday so far, but now am thinking i may as well just wait for an updated model with gen4 riser, as i won't be building in mine till i get a new GPU anyway.

Just buy a new ricer later on... what are they like 30 bucks. i wouldn't imagine their are going to be any iterations of the case anytime soon as the team will be more focused on improving Quality control, shipping and just generally getting people the cases they want. Any changes will probably happen much later. Its also been made pretty clear theirs not much advantage of pcie 4 right now.

 

[DrLeroy]

Just buy a new ricer later on... what are they like 30 bucks. i wouldn't imagine their are going to be any iterations of the case anytime soon as the team will be more focused on improving Quality control, shipping and just generally getting people the cases they want. Any changes will probably happen much later. Its also been made pretty clear theirs not much advantage of pcie 4 right now.

I don't have any issues waiting though, and Risers in Australia are a damn sight more than $30, i paid $110 for my last one here of decent quality. we can get elcheapo thermaltake ones for like $60 or so.
if W360 offers 4.0 risers as a component from his store as an upgrade later that would work though.
doesn't change that i haven't been able to secure a case in any of the drops so far, and not sure how many more 2am Saturdays i want whilst still missing out before i just wait for general availability even though i have all parts bar case and next gen gpu sitting and waiting.

 

[ciaran clare]

I don't have any issues waiting though, and Risers in Australia are a damn sight more than $30, i paid $110 for my last one here of decent quality. we can get elcheapo thermaltake ones for like $60 or so.
if W360 offers 4.0 risers as a component from his store as an upgrade later that would work though.
doesn't change that i haven't been able to secure a case in any of the drops so far, and not sure how many more 2am Saturdays i want whilst still missing out before i just wait for general availability even though i have all parts bar case and next gen gpu sitting and waiting.

Nearly choked when i saw 110 dollars, but then realised thats AUD, most risers in uk range between 20 and 40 pounds. Im sorry you havent got a case yet but do you realise their not doing the Friday drops anymore? I believe they've changed to the big pre orders, i got mine during the big pre order for October/November shipping and they were still available for preorder on the site a few days after it opened.

 

[DrLeroy]

Nearly choked when i saw 110 dollars, but then realised thats AUD, most risers in uk range between 20 and 40 pounds. Im sorry you havent got a case yet but do you realise their not doing the Friday drops anymore? I believe they've changed to the big pre orders, i got mine during the big pre order for October/November shipping and they were still available for preorder on the site a few days after it opened.

I did not know that no. . . the website still says Friday drops -_- damnit. so i guess ill be waiting for a fair while then. at least i don't have to be up till 2am now then haha

 

[ten13th]

Hi All,

It took me a couple of weeks of daily dedication to reading through the now 500+ pages of information. Wow! Lots of useful information and helpful people. I went from building a simple ATX in NZXT 510 two months ago to planning a custom loop. I have never done a custom loop before, but the wealth of information just in this thread makes me feel it completely doable for me. However. I just have one simple question. How do I order a T1?

I am just kidding; I ordered one already for Q4 delivery. ?

Looking forward to continuing learning and perhaps post some photos of my builds for some feedback.

Regards

 

[tokes808]

Sorry if this has already been answered but when is the next batch of FormD T1 cases going to be in-stock ? Thank you

 

[tinyitx]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.


Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

Well....I took out my crystal ball just for you and it comes out with this prediction...lol

See the pic below for having a 3090 FE edition (and perhaps a 3080 as well?) inside a T1.
Fresh air is still going through the side mesh panel. The (secondary) fan (ie the one nearer to the back PCI holder) draws air in and exhausts out the rear, in a 'push'. The (main) fan also draws air in (through the side mesh and through the card's heatsink fins) and exhausts, in a 'pull'. As it is so close to the PSU sitting behind, the exhaust air will rely on the fan on the case top for extraction.

The design airflow is more of a traditional path (ie case front lower fan intakes air into the case + case rear top fan exhausts air out of the case). As such, fresh air is supplied to the both fans of the 3090 from the front (vs from side mesh panel). The pic below shows this 'reference' design.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/um7CaPKyRfYdCUv4bjt7X5-970-80.png.webp

It could be an oven for the reference air cooled 3090. Who knows?
As an engineer, I know from years of experience that there are always problems waiting to be solved in a new project. Same goes to most things in life. I suppose, we can adjust our attitude and 'headache' can become 'interesting and satisfactory'.

 

[thelaughingman]

Doesnt effect me as ill be looking at big navi.

I'm on the same boat. Getting the LG 38GN950 delivered tomorrow so I'll stick with AMD cards for the next 5 years or so ? Given Nvidia's position as the market leader, the trend they set with Ampere will influence AMD's RNDA3's designs onwards though.

• People are crying about the new 12-pin connector - but that is to replace 2x 8-pin with just 1x 12-pin cable. That is a positive change for SFF in my book.
• Smaller/shorter PCB - I don't care if it's V-shaped or pentagon or hexagon or whatever shape they come up with. I miss that tiny R9 Nano. If Big Navi or whatever next gen card comes in that PCB size again with a non-cutdown die, I'll be over the moon!

I don't have any issues waiting though, and Risers in Australia are a damn sight more than $30, i paid $110 for my last one here of decent quality. we can get elcheapo thermaltake ones for like $60 or so.
if W360 offers 4.0 risers as a component from his store as an upgrade later that would work though.
doesn't change that i haven't been able to secure a case in any of the drops so far, and not sure how many more 2am Saturdays i want whilst still missing out before i just wait for general availability even though i have all parts bar case and next gen gpu sitting and waiting.

This is what I did. Get the Dan A4, not happy with the A4, get another case and eventually the T1. Swap the ADT riser in the T1 with the Gen 4 riser in the A4 and then built my dad a PC. Now he's got a tiny system on his desk, and I get to keep the Gen 4 riser with the T1. Win win! ???

 

[DrHudacris]

Ok.... i need to ask... hows ampere gonna work with the T1, they have pretty much confirmed the V shaped PCB. If your planning on using the original cooler on trhe FE cards, even if it fits youll be turning your computer into an oven. And if your water cooling.... Are they going to make a normally shaped water block or are we going to get funny looking V shaped water blocks. Also if you do water cool these beefy coolers are gonna add a lost of cost to a card your just gonna strip down and remove.

The V notch is going to be FULL OF POSSIBILITIES! How about this? GPU block over PCB, DDC pump nested INSIDE the notch, and a flat reservoir piece filling out the rest of the rectangle with a few ports for in/out/fill?

I'm emailing EK now with this, someone needs to make this happen.

Fresh air is still going through the side mesh panel. The (secondary) fan (ie the one nearer to the back PCI holder) draws air in and exhausts out the rear, in a 'push'. The (main) fan also draws air in (through the side mesh and through the card's heatsink fins) and exhausts, in a 'pull'. As it is so close to the PSU sitting behind, the exhaust air will rely on the fan on the case top for extraction.

I wonder if pointing the PSU fan opening towards the GPU would be better here. Air can nicely enter the PSU (which lets be honest, isn't ALL that heat sensitive) and of course the air won't stagnate, as if the GPU is hot (meaning drawing power) the PSU fan will also be turning, helping move GPU heat into and then out of the PSU exhaust, aided further by the exhaust fan at the top of the case (assuming "flipped" PSU orientation).

Have I been dreaming about RTX 3000 a lot? No comment!

 

[tinyitx]

I wonder if pointing the PSU fan opening towards the GPU would be better here. Air can nicely enter the PSU (which lets be honest, isn't ALL that heat sensitive) and of course the air won't stagnate, as if the GPU is hot (meaning drawing power) the PSU fan will also be turning, helping move GPU heat into and then out of the PSU exhaust, aided further by the exhaust fan at the top of the case (assuming "flipped" PSU orientation).

SF750 fan is thermal sensitive and so it can be triggered on earlier by that extra heat from the PSU, even if the system load is low.
Assume 3090 has 350W to be dissipated (conservatively speaking). Maybe, 200W will be handled by the main fan and the secondary fan will send 150W to the PSU. This should not be a too big an extra heat load for the PSU.
So, making use of the PSU fan should be the first solution to be tried, IMHO.

 

[x111]

I wonder if pointing the PSU fan opening towards the GPU would be better here. Air can nicely enter the PSU (which lets be honest, isn't ALL that heat sensitive) and of course the air won't stagnate, as if the GPU is hot (meaning drawing power) the PSU fan will also be turning, helping move GPU heat into and then out of the PSU exhaust, aided further by the exhaust fan at the top of the case (assuming "flipped" PSU orientation).

Have I been dreaming about RTX 3000 a lot? No comment!

As I mentioned before the best way is to point psu exhaust into radiator and make a fan swap/mod in order to control psu fan speed and push extra air as well as keeping psu cold at all time.

some would say that it's dangerous to play around psu so you better to know what you are doing.


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[Nero]

I'm extremely excited about the idea of making the 3090 reference cooler work in the T1.

If it does work imo it could work even better than conventional coolers that expel hot air all around the case in an extremely inefficient way. The 3090 gives us the opportunity to control where the expelled air goes. Flipping the PSU might do the trick, if it doesn't swapping the fan like @x111 suggests is the best alternative (need to be very, extremely, life/death situation cautious of course)

 

[TSOF]

And that reference card is fucking great looking.
If it fits, is quiet, and reasonably cool, I’d love to keep it on.

 

[PKAWA]

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[DrHudacris]

The V notch is going to be FULL OF POSSIBILITIES! How about this? GPU block over PCB, DDC pump nested INSIDE the notch, and a flat reservoir piece filling out the rest of the rectangle with a few ports for in/out/fill?

I'm emailing EK now with this, someone needs to make this happen.

So I emailed EK with the above image...they think it's a great idea and are forwarding it to R&D