Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

Increase volume from 9.8L to 10.5L to support MSI Suprim X 30XX?

  • Yes, worth the trade off to be more compatible with components

    Votes: 37 16.3%
  • No, not worth it b/c it is not better than the ROG 30XX, which fits now at <10L

    Votes: 190 83.7%

  • Total voters
    227

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2021-05-25: T1 V1.5 Progress​

Since there are some major changes, this update will be called V1.5.

Confirmed Update:
- Still less than 10L
- T1 V1.5 Unibody Front edition, USD160-210, available in US, UK, AU, DE, CN *only
- T1 V1.5 Two Tone Front edition, USD220-260, availability similar to V1.1
- Support both ROG 30XX and MSI Gaming X Trio 30XX
- Add PCIe 4.0 Riser option
- Support Deep Mini-ITX Support (ROMED4ID-2T)
- Support 46mm under the mobo for Radiator + Fan:
  • 20.5mm TX240 radiator + *dual 25mm thick fans
  • 27 or 30mm thick radiator + *dual 15mm slim fans
  • 27 or 30mm thick radiator + *single 25mm thick fan and single 15mm fan
- Support *dual TX240 240mm radiator setup, with 48mm CPU cooler height left for Pump & Res CPU Block
- Support 1.25, 1.50, 1.75, 2, 2.25, 2.50, 2.75, 3, 3.25 GPU Slots for more GPU vs CPU space allocation possibilities
- Add *new Tempered Glass Air Flow Side Panel
- Add Vertical Kit Accessory option
- Add Handle Kit Accessory option
- Official Instruction Manual and Assembly Video (YouTube)
- Remove T1 SFX Power Supply Flip Bracket (doesn't make meaningful difference in thermals)

Pending Update:
- Collapsible or Removable Headphone Stand
- Aluminum Mesh Side Panels
- NCASE M1 Layout Kit (include Notuca C14S Air Cooler Kit)
- Mini-DTX Support (Asus Crosshair VIII Impact, requires NCASE M1 Layout Kit)
- Freeflow Louvre Side Panels.
- EDC Slim Backpack Kit

How does it compare to T1 V1.1 *IMO
- For People looking for a cheaper option
- For People looking for air cooled setup without riser (5950X on Noctua C14S + 3080TI)
- For People looking for ROG 30XX and MSI Gaming X Trio 30XX support

Current *estimated release date mid August 2021 (release dates are always subject to change due to human malware & other uncertainties).



2021-03-31: T1V1.1 orders will reopen 2021-04-01 8AM PST!​

2021-03-22: T1V1.1 orders will open 2021-03-24 8AM PST!​

2020-02-24: T1 V1.1 in stock, available to Priority Customers *only and soon!​

We plan to offer multiple priority batches, to qualify for Priority BATCH 1:

- you must have had an order cancelled between 2020-11-10 to 2021-02-05 PST.
- you only placed *one order for *one unit and cancelled within the time period
* there will be more priority batches later for those outside of these two requirement
* production delay email was sent 2020-11-10, so it's the start date for qualification
* last shipment date was 2021-02-05, so it's the end date for qualification

We don't have enough in Priority BATCH 1 to cover all cancelled orders! So we will prioritize candidacy based on 1) original shipping date, 2) shipping country (caused by resurgence of Covid-19)

More details to come this weekend!

2021-01-12: T1 Classic V1.2 update feature list atm:​

- remove *one Strut 3 on motherboard side for easier installation (tested and doesn't affected rigidity)
- update Long Fan Bracket (2 screws instead of 3 screws for mounting)
- one backplate for 1.5-Slot, 2-Slot, 2.5-Slot, and 3-Slot GPU mode (working on 2.75-Slot, screw hole too close to 2.5-Slot)
- *maybe 240 AIO mounting on the Mobo Side for *slim fan dual 240 radiator setup.

One of the reasons to make the Classic V1.2 is to continue providing parts for V1.0 and V1.1, let's see how production goes. NO ETA ON PRODUCTION, because we just don't know.

2021-01-03 Update: T1 V2.0 moved to T1 EVO thread, this thread now the T1 Classic thread.​


2020-11-12: looking for people to work on a secret project:

1. Angular Dev:
  • Advanced to Expert experience in building attractive customer-facing website
  • Experience with Firebase and/or other cloud backends highly preferred but not required
2. Shopify Theme Dev:
  • Experience with Shopify and knows how to modify Shopify theme.

2020-10-12: E-White T1 Mesh Side Panel Poll URL

Curtesy to Navic for setting it up, this poll will help us finalize the Mesh Side Panel color for E-White T1.

Communication Update! - forum is no longer a good format, let's move to r/FormD first and SFFN second!

For those that feels this thread is hostile to questions, I feel sorry about the situation. For those that have been answering the same questions over and over, I also feel sorry about the situation. This forum thread is too big and congested to provide useful information for everyone, so let's just move for everyone's sake.

So going forward, we going communicate to Reddit first, SFFN second!


2020-07-30: Three updates!

1. Official Instagram Account
@formdworks


Human malware really suck. Social distancing and working from home is making us lonely and stressed. So please follow us or give us a like on Instagram, we need all the positive energy we can get to keep moving forward.

2. Bigger batch = less preorder drama

The bad new is that our data suggest demand is still increasing, while our supply hasn't changed, which translates to preorder drama and dissapointment.

The good news is that we might have a solution. Our manufacturing limitation is largely due to CNC Machining doesn't scale like typical Sheetmetal cases, and CNC Machine Time Allocation. We have been fighting for more machine time allocation. Some time in September, we will open preorder for a larger batch shipping in October. For people that are tired of the panic of trying to get a T1 and not able to, don't stay up late or let preorders ruin your day, just check in with us September.

3. Official T1 Build Guide is in the works

Some of you are having issues with building the T1 using current T1 Instruction Manual. So @gwertheim and I are working on a build guide this weekend, hopefully something to show next week.

In the meantime, here is an animation to help you visualize T1 assembly.


Preorder Update! - Preorders start Friday, July 3rd, 9AM PST via www.formdworks.com

The first date will be 2020-07-03 and the shipping date will be 2020-07-24. There are too few T1s for the 2020-07-03 drop (shipping 2020-07-24). So we don't want to email all subscribers just so they can get mad not being able to get one. We will email subscirbers once we have a bigger batch coming in.

Two colors will be available: 1) Black + Black Mesh and 2) Black Silver + Black Mesh (aka two tone). No other colors at this time, no *extra accessories, and no ETA on these atm. T1 without Riser and T1 + Riser will both be offered. We don't have quantity estimates, because machine time, quality control and anodizing hard to predict.

Shipping prices changes frequently, so just add item to cart to see the exact shipping price. We can *ONLY ship to these countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macao, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States, Uzbekistan, Vietnam.
  • T1V1.0 sold out! (China only due to shipping limitations)
  • T1 preorder is scheduled to drops every Friday
  • T1 will be manufactured continuously , so most people that wants one should be able to get one in 2020 ?
  • We will try and ship to more countries for each weekly drops
T1V1.1 (June 2020 Batch) Updates:
  1. Top & Bottom Panel vents gap changed to 105mm for radiators to mount directly to panel
  2. Added 4mm diameter by 3mm deep magnet holes to the sides of the case frame, to better hold mesh panels in place when Top or Bottom Panels are removed during dissembly (magnets cannot be included due to air shipping limitations)
  3. Added cutout to SFX bracket for better cable routing when using a 25mm thick fan adjacent to SFX
  4. 2.5" Drive Bracket moved up for better cable clearance
  5. 2-Slot & 3-Slot GPU Sheetmetal Bracket lowered by 1.5mm for easier mounting
  6. Changed Power Button to 19mm Anti-Vandal Switch (from 16mm)
Other Important Infos:
  • To minimize congestion, read FAQ and Useful Links before you ask redundant questions
  • Can't keep up with so many new posts. Created r/FormD. Upvoting and downvoting feature will helps us prioritize response to questions and issues
  • changed brand name due to banking reasons - Sidearmd was flagged b/c it's close to firearms?
2020-05-06 Update: EK-AIO 240 barely fits, not easy to install, not recommended for beginners


2020-04-12 Update: Distro Plate for DDC, SPC / P5 Pumps



Update 2020-03-13 : Instruction Manual Draft 2 (WIP)!


Update 2020-03-10 : Test Shipping Candidates, please fill out this Survey! Orders will open *after Test Shipping Candidates receive their T1s and provide feedback!
Australia, Wyd4, Austria, Cyberratchet Canada, johannbl, Denmark, fabio, Finland, Benihana, France, Vaux, Germany, theexplainer, Japan, hengster, South Korea, ahs8225, Italy, Metroversal, Malaysia, chinyang, Netherlands, Floris, New Zealand, tyen, Norway, Stigth, Poland, bynio, Portugal, nulio, Saudi Arabia, darky122, Singapore, heckinwoofer, Spain, prava, Sweden, hardly, Taiwan, Thermo, Turkey, cablez, Ukraine, denys_349, United Kingdom, Goatee, USA - California, bpark919, USA - NYC/CT/MA, Kundahli, USA - Texas, Navic
USA - Texas, DrHudacris *special consideration, many posts thread
USA - Other, PBJ *special consideration, many posts thread
USA - Other, Brude27 *special consideration, many posts on thread
USA - Other, pslate *special consideration, custom cables for T1
Uzbekistan, Basriy *shipping to Uzbekistan is exotic to me

Update 2020-02-18 : Alpahcool LT240 fits, but 240 AIO is not officially support! 9900K on 120 AIO can out perform 240 AIO (see review), so 240 AIO is unnecessary for *most people!


Update 2020-02-06 : Preorder on hold until virus situation settles in China.
1. the virus has created a huge backlog and uncertainty for shipping, I don't want to take orders with this much uncertainty around shipping.
2. I have requested more T1s to be made, so delay preorders = the gap between availability will be days / weeks instead months.
3. more T1 availability = less anger and fighting on the forum, less disappointment.




So many ideas, so little time


T1 Black + Mesh Side Panels Availability: formdworks.com
T1 Black + Mesh Side Panels Price: USD 200, excluding shipping (depends on shipping speed and country)

T1 Black + Mesh Side Panels Specifications:
Material:
CNC machined from 15mm 6061 Aluminum + 1.5mm steel SFX and Fan brackets
Side panels: ultra-fine mesh side panels (also functions as dust filters)
Colors: Sand Blasted + Anodized Black Aluminum chassis, Powder Coated PSU and Fan brackets.

Dimensions (W x H x D): 133 x 217 x 330, 9.5L
Graphic cards support: 312mm long, 2 or 3 Slot GPU (39.2 or 59.2mm from Side Panel to GPU PCB, including 1.6mm GPU PCB)
Motherboard support: Mini-ITX
Power Supply support: SFX
CPU Heatsink support: 70mm height (Noctua L12S recommended) using 2 Slot GPU or 50mm height using 3 slot GPU
Water cooling support: 120mm AIO at 35mm thick
Drives: 1 x 2.5" HDD/SSD
PCIe Riser: Included


Update 2019-10-25 : production case looks stunning, but anodizing is bad, need to be redone ?.



Some days you just want to cry, need to send most panels back because the anodizing has problems.



Update 2019-09-09 : https://www.sfflab.com/products/sidearmd_t1, click "NOTIFY ME WHEN RESTOCKED" on this product page to be emailed when we release (review video should be out before release)

Update 2019-07-18 : USB-C and SD Card Front I/O for those so curious



Update 2019-06-18 : Prototype 2 in hand for testing (good news), but I might have broken my motherboard (bad news), a cap next to the M.2 fell off.



Update 2019-06-14 : Barrowch Chameleon Fish 240mm modular radiator added to the Open Bench Test

Look like Alphacool LT240 (25mm thick) is still the best choice for this case, and performs better than other 30mm thick 240mm AIOs, so 240x30mm thick radiator is not worth the extra size increase.


* CPU (i9-9900K) NOT Delided

Update 2019-03-31 : CPU Cooler Open Bench Test Result

1. Alphacool LT240 shows near identical performance to XSPC TX240
2. 2x Noctua A12x25 fans vs. Noctua A12x25 + A12x15 makes little difference.
3. Koolance HX-CU420V (120mm Radiator, Copper) is 3°C from the Alphacool LT240 (240mm Radiator, Copper), which is equal or better than most 240mm (Aluminum) AIOs, like Corsair H100i Pro, NZXT X52.



* CPU (i9-9900K) NOT Delided

Asus Z390-I 160W OC Settings


Asus Z390-I 240W OC Settings


AIJIA 120 Custom Radiator


AIJIA 240 Custom Radiator


Alphacool LT240


Corsair H60 2018


Koolance HX-CU420V


HWL LS120


Noctua NH-D15 (2x NF-A14 PWM on one fan Y Splitter cable)


Noctua NH-L12S
Given the NH-D15 results, I don't see the need to test NH-L12S, 9900K OC at 200W+ is just way over the intended use. 120 AIO is the better choice imo.

XSPC TX240




Update 2019-01-19 : Noctua L12S fit verified, all 70mm of it (2 GPU Slot mode)




Update 2019-01-14 : Prototype 1, need to work on lighting :(





Update 2019-01-05 : Space Gray, Black and Silver prototypes for CES 2019

After the initial project stalled, https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/ncase-project-sidearm.1525, I couldn't give up.

Special thanks:
Necere for letting me use the name and the layout
dondan for giving me some tips about spacing
guryhwa for helping I/O and PCIe riser

Feedback appreciated!
 
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chyll2

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This is actually my ideal case.

I really like the 70mm clearance I have with Steck but I see it being wasted if one will go AIO route. The space can easily be used to accommodate thicker GPU cards.
 
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3 slot (or at least 2.5-2.7) is definitely a big selling point. Maybe it’d boost the volume too much, but L12S + 3 slot would be very attractive to me. Could there be a way to have a separate side panel which could extend that compartment in addition to the 3 slot spine placement? Or perhaps it’s time to start toying with that water stuff…

Either way, I’m happy that internal 120mm fan mounts are becoming more accepted in this layout. Semi related questions: would a a 240 rad with only one fan outperform a 120 rad, and would that be feasible in this case? Also I might be blind, but where are the 2.5 inch drives going?
 
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Arboreal

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That's another great design, with a chunky alu build with CNC action.
I really like the 2 or 3 slot design system that opens up a lot of possibilities in cooling and GPU choices.

It was all going so well, BUT you have lost the most important design element from the original Sidearmd...the HANDLE. :p
 
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Wahaha360

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3 slot (or at least 2.5-2.7) is definitely a big selling point. Maybe it’d boost the volume too much, but L12S + 3 slot would be very attractive to me. Could there be a way to have a separate side panel which could extend that compartment in addition to the 3 slot spine placement? Or perhaps it’s time to start toying with that water stuff…

L12S + 3 GPU Slot will make the case about ~155mm wide, at that width, there are more efficient layouts, like the M1. For that reason, the current width at 135mm is the most I would go to maintain layout efficiency.

Either way, I’m happy that internal 120mm fan mounts are becoming more accepted in this layout. Semi related questions: would a a 240 rad with only one fan outperform a 120 rad, and would that be feasible in this case? Also I might be blind, but where are the 2.5 inch drives going?

A 240 rad will need 2x 120x25mm fans, that will make the case 25mm taller (135x235x330, 10.5L), not the most efficient layout.

Using a 240 rad with *single 120mm fan means there will be heat trapped near the motherboard tray, that might be worse for temps.

2.5" drives are mounted between the Front Panel and SFX, will show more details once we have the prototype at CES.
 

Wahaha360

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That's another great design, with a chunky alu build with CNC action.
I really like the 2 or 3 slot design system that opens up a lot of possibilities in cooling and GPU choices.

It was all going so well, BUT you have lost the most important design element from the original Sidearmd...the HANDLE. :p

Will reveal later once I confirm it's doable ;)
 

Wahaha360

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I love it!!! Only one comment:

Please, move down the MB and but the fan on top for exhaust.

I repeat this in every thread, the problem with the SFF case is the exhaust :)

Amazing job man!!

Flipping the case, where the two 120x25mm fans are at the top and in exhaust mode works even better.

The SFX bracket is designed that it can flip the PSU orientation as well, so the SFX can exhaust through the top of the case.

 
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Looks fresh. Two things, though: could you rotate 180º the radiator? The you way you have it placed the ports are on the opposite part of the block. Also, you will have a very nasty bend by the psu. I think rotating the radiator would fix this and I don't see what problems It should introduce. Well, yes, fans will have same space between them, but other than that...

Also, from a cost stand-point, isn't CNC much epensive than stamped panels? Or is it that for low volumes CNC makes up for it because tooling costs are much reduced?

edit: forgot 2 other points:

a) Fan-filter options?
b) Chance to include some feet? Raising the case would do miracles when the fans are on the bottom as intakes.
 

Wahaha360

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Looks fresh.

I was wondering when you are going to show up :)

Two things, though: could you rotate 180º the radiator? The you way you have it placed the ports are on the opposite part of the block. Also, you will have a very nasty bend by the psu. I think rotating the radiator would fix this and I don't see what problems It should introduce. Well, yes, fans will have same space between them, but other than that...

TBD, this is something we have been discussing internally for a while. Once I have the prototype at CES, I will know if this is possible.

You know how radiators have a forehead (G 1/4 ports) and chin, the chin is currently under the motherboard. *Some 120mm radiators can be rotated 180º, it really depends on the total length of the radiator.

That being said, I am routing the 6mm ID / 10mm OD tubes above the PSU and between the Front Panel and PSU into the radiator. For the smaller OD tubes, it's non-issue. For 16mm OD tubes, I don't know yet.

a) Fan-filter options?
b) Chance to include some feet? Raising the case would do miracles when the fans are on the bottom as intakes.

a) magnetic filter between the panel and fans
b) yes, same ones as the A4 and C4

Also, from a cost stand-point, isn't CNC much epensive than stamped panels? Or is it that for low volumes CNC makes up for it because tooling costs are much reduced?

The project will be subsidized by me, so it will be very similar in price with other cases on SFF, but limited in quantity.

Since Apple and other smartphone companies lowered their order quantity for 2019, there is surplus CNC and anodizing capacity. There is a real probability that I can get high quality CNC and Space Gray in one go. I been waiting for years to do this.
 

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Do you have plans for case feet? It looks like either orientation would benefit from airflow from the bottom of the case.
 

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Would be nice to see support for slim 120mm fan on the top/bottom depending on how your orient it. (The side opposite the 120mm aio/120mm fan)
 

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Would be nice to see support for slim 120mm fan on the top/bottom depending on how your orient it. (The side opposite the 120mm aio/120mm fan)

We already tested the XSPC TX240 20mm thick radiator on the 9900K, it’s not much better than the Koolance 30FPI 120mm radiator.

To support a thin rad will increase case height, thus volume by 0.5L, didn’t make sense for a 3C difference if you consider margin of error could be 1-2C.
 
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Wahaha360

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Do you have plans for case feet? It looks like either orientation would benefit from airflow from the bottom of the case.

The case feet will be the same ones used on A4 and C4, they are pretty standard.

Optimal orientation depends on dust / noise / cooling expectations.

With the AIO in the bottom of the case, you will have positive pressure = less dusty inside.

However, with AIO on the top, you will have better cooling, where hot air is exhausted right out of the case, with the down side being negative pressure = more dusty inside.