if you can get a 3 Slot bracket maybe 3d print it should fit. Now you need a 1200W SFX PSU
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if you can get a 3 Slot bracket maybe 3d print it should fit. Now you need a 1200W SFX PSU
There's only 145mm of space in the C4 though...
Will the MSI 4090 Suprim fit in the C4-SFX?
In the GPU Compatibility section (first post) the Suprim is listed as "not fit", but the Gaming Trio is listed as "fit" even though they're almost identical in size. Shouldn't it be that either both will fit or that both are too big?
In the GPU Compatibility section (first post) the Suprim is listed as "not fit", but the Gaming Trio is listed as "fit" even though they're almost identical in size. Shouldn't it be that either both will fit or that both are too big?
| MSI RTX 4080/4090 Suprim | L=336 W=142 H = 78 | not fit |
| MSI RTX 4080/4090 Gaming Trio/ X Trio | L=336 W=140 H = 77 | fit |
Man MSI RTX 4090 Suprim won't fit as it's 142mm in height https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4090-SUPRIM-X-24G/Specification
From what I can tell the page 1 GPU dims, PDF manual GPU dims and dan-cases site C4SFX page GPU dims all point to slightly different GPU dimensions for the C4-SFX. Then the page 1 GPU compatibility list show multiple 4090 cards as fitting that don't seem to match any of these three sets of dimensions.
I can't find a smaller FE / Ventus / Colorful 4090 model for sale that will obviously fit and am concerned about fitment of 100% of the other 4090 cards.
Can someone confirm the final production GPU dimensions?
I can't find a smaller FE / Ventus / Colorful 4090 model for sale that will obviously fit and am concerned about fitment of 100% of the other 4090 cards.
Can someone confirm the final production GPU dimensions?
TBH I'm really confused how these manufacturers measure their GPU. The only reason why i'm confident with Coloroful battle Ax's measurements is because of this:
(Also included is the Gigagbyte Gaming OC measured with a tape measure)
This is a Suprim superimposed by the colorful battle ax. It's not that much bigger just slightly wider 327 vs 337 (though surpim is thicker by 11mm)
(Also included is the Gigagbyte Gaming OC measured with a tape measure)
This is a Suprim superimposed by the colorful battle ax. It's not that much bigger just slightly wider 327 vs 337 (though surpim is thicker by 11mm)
@dondan, the Red Devil is listed as fitting here in your first compatibility list and then the one on the first page, but on Powercolor's site the dimensions are:
338mm*135mm*73mm
348mm*147mm*73mm(with bracket)
(I'm not sure if the bracket is removable)
and the C4's website says it supports "3.9-Slot up to 336 mm length". I want to make sure the card will or won't fit because the Red Devil is one of the only cards available for even just preordering right now
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I wouldnt bother trying the red devil with the length.
sign up for a GPU drop discord channel, new cards drop every few hours and its totally doable to get what you want within a week or two or watching alerts. Powercolor Hellhound 7900xtx or sapphire pulse are probably the best ones.
here's a discord link for one: https://t.co/G6KPDx7RVB
sign up for a GPU drop discord channel, new cards drop every few hours and its totally doable to get what you want within a week or two or watching alerts. Powercolor Hellhound 7900xtx or sapphire pulse are probably the best ones.
here's a discord link for one: https://t.co/G6KPDx7RVB
@boundary-stone The Trio X is a special card. Look at the pictures it has angled zones on the shroud so it should clear side clips and front io
@nathanjaker You are are right looks like i was wrong with the length. It should not fit.
@nathanjaker You are are right looks like i was wrong with the length. It should not fit.
Got it. The Suprim also has similar angled zones on the shroud. Is the issue for that one the 142mm height then (not the 336mm length / 3.9 slot depth) or is the shroud not as workable as the Trio X?
To explain my focus on the MSI Suprim version of the 4090 - it's a huge step up build quality and VRM wise over all of the AIB cards listed as fitting. Suprim has a vapor chamber cooler & ~1820W VRM (26x70A MP86957, 4x70A MP86957). The Trio X on the other hand has no vapor chamber & only ~900W VRM (18Ă—50A NCP303151A, 4Ă—50A NCP303151A). The 4090 FE is vapor chamber & ~1400W VRM (20x70A MP86957, 3x70A MP86957) for comparison.
The super compact 4090 PNY XLR8 is even more cut down than the Trio X with only 700W VRM.
I feel like with 4090 the FE or Suprim are the only real options that make sense (at least in the US) with the FE being more compact / cheaper if you can find one and the Suprim being a more premium upgrade pick if you have a case that can handle it or want to deshroud / watercool.
This HUB video show the Suprim / Trio side by side if that's helpful:
Does using SFX-L psus in this case create any compatibility issues / limitations to be aware of?
Couldn't find anything either way in this thread, on the C4SFX site or in the manual pdf.
EDIT: Being able to comfortably fit one of the next gen ATX 3.0 SFX-L psus - Corsair SF850/1000W, Asus Loki 750/850/1000/1200W) etc. - in the C4-SFX without impacting CPU / GPU compatibility would add a lot of flexibility.
For whatever reason the SFX non-L ATX 3.0 psus also appear to be scheduled for release significantly later than the SFX-L ones so anyone wanting to buy an ATX 3.0 sfx PSU for the C4- SFX when the it's available in March / April will probably have to go with an SFX-L unit.
Couldn't find anything either way in this thread, on the C4SFX site or in the manual pdf.
EDIT: Being able to comfortably fit one of the next gen ATX 3.0 SFX-L psus - Corsair SF850/1000W, Asus Loki 750/850/1000/1200W) etc. - in the C4-SFX without impacting CPU / GPU compatibility would add a lot of flexibility.
For whatever reason the SFX non-L ATX 3.0 psus also appear to be scheduled for release significantly later than the SFX-L ones so anyone wanting to buy an ATX 3.0 sfx PSU for the C4- SFX when the it's available in March / April will probably have to go with an SFX-L unit.
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Noctua D12L vs 280 AIO for this case?
Guessing 280 AIO since you'll get 2x 140mm exhaust with the AIO vs 1x 120mm intake with the D12L itself and 1x 140mm exhaust.
Buying a second A12x25r for the D12L as shown in all the C4-SFX w/D12L pics pushes the D12L setup cost up to ~$120 which is well into 280 AIO price territory too.
The extra case width of the 14.7 production version of this case should allow more comfortable fitment of thicker 280 AIOs too.
EDIT: Either D12L / 280 AIO should offer more than sufficient cooling for all current gen chips so I think determining the superior option would come down to the VRM / NVME / GPU temps using each cooler. PSU temps too when using PSUs with zero RPM fan modes that allow for significant heat buildup without dual CPU / GPU loads (eg. SF750).
Guessing 280 AIO since you'll get 2x 140mm exhaust with the AIO vs 1x 120mm intake with the D12L itself and 1x 140mm exhaust.
Buying a second A12x25r for the D12L as shown in all the C4-SFX w/D12L pics pushes the D12L setup cost up to ~$120 which is well into 280 AIO price territory too.
The extra case width of the 14.7 production version of this case should allow more comfortable fitment of thicker 280 AIOs too.
EDIT: Either D12L / 280 AIO should offer more than sufficient cooling for all current gen chips so I think determining the superior option would come down to the VRM / NVME / GPU temps using each cooler. PSU temps too when using PSUs with zero RPM fan modes that allow for significant heat buildup without dual CPU / GPU loads (eg. SF750).
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Will the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 have enough clearance? There’s 121.5 mm of the space taken by the rad, fans, and block. Tube diameter is 12.5mm which would need to make its radius in the ~23mm remaining space assuming 145 is max.
Here's the photo of an Arctic II in a NR200. Those have 155mm of clearance, 10mm more than this case. Maaaaybe it'll be possible in this case but those bends sure look tight to me.
@boundary-stone & @detective You can fit SFX-L but you have to remove the lower part of the GPU holder (Page 35-36 manual). A second option would be to use the front mount psu position (Page 38-39 manual)
@illtrick Arctic should fit but not with T30 fans like in your picture.
@illtrick Arctic should fit but not with T30 fans like in your picture.
Does removing the lower part of the C4-SFX's GPU holder as shown in the manual PDF create any compatibility issues / limitations to be aware of?
Also, would removing this part reduce GPU weight support enough to change GPU compatibility? If planning to go SFX-L (without the support) is it then best to avoid 4090's (and many 4070 / 4080's) since they typically weigh 2000-2500g? Maybe GPU holder max with part removal would be one of the lighter 4080 AIB cards like 4080 MSI Ventus (1595g)?
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I also thought a lot about possible PSUs and Sizing (SFX vs. SFX-L) and I'm going for the SilverStone Extreme Series EX850R - it's an ATX3 PSU in small SFX form factor - and should have plenty of power even for high-end 4090 builds.
as for the rest of my possible build i'm still unsure what exactly i'll be building... only things i've got so far are an inno3d-4090 and the AlphaCool ES RTX 4090 Water Block :-)
as for the rest of my possible build i'm still unsure what exactly i'll be building... only things i've got so far are an inno3d-4090 and the AlphaCool ES RTX 4090 Water Block :-)
Reviews on the SilverStone Extreme Series EX850R are pretty rough. It's stiff non-sleeved cables seem are a major pain for SFF and it's noisy too - especially relative to the something like the SF750 for example. The EX850R's 12VHPWR cable is also capped at 450W so no real advantage power delivery wise vs a SF750 unless you're looking for more watts on the CPU side to run a 13900k or something combined with a high wattage (but sub 450W) GPU. The EX850R looks extremely similar to the Lian Li SP850 which also technically has 12VHPWR, but capped to 350-400W and is clearly labeled as not supporting Nvidia 40 series cards.
Right now I think ASUS ROG Loki SFX-L 850 (or 1000/1200W) are the only decent option for ATX 3.0 / solid high wattage PCIE5 support. I know they're SFX-L, but like I said I don't think there's anything decent in the SFX non-L size coming anytime soon. The Corsair SF850L and Corsair SF1000L will be SFX-L too and will also support 600W via 12VHPWR whenever they get released.
EDIT: Looking over the cybenetics reports the Asus ROG Loki SFX-L 750 actually performs a bit better noise and efficiency wise than either the 850 Loki unit or the upcoming Corsair 850/1000 SFX-L models so that seems like the one to go for (or possibly the Loki SFX-L 1000W, no cybenetics report on that one yet though).
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