The PCIe signals for each come from different PCIe root complexes on the SoC (I've never seen a PCIe root complex providing more than 16 lanes), so the only reason their link speeds would be matched would be if a manufacturer took a shortcut in setting up their BIOS. Which is of course possible, but at least on paper these should be individually adjustable like in the Asus BIOS above.
The PCIe signals for each come from different PCIe root complexes on the SoC (I've never seen a PCIe root complex providing more than 16 lanes), so the only reason their link speeds would be matched would be if a manufacturer took a shortcut in setting up their BIOS. Which is of course possible, but at least on paper these should be individually adjustable like in the Asus BIOS above.
Bought an SFX PSU in anticipation!
It's entertaining how tiny this is.
It's entertaining how tiny this is.
I recently stumbled upon this case and am very interested. This forum had the most information I could find, so I registered to join the conversation.
I want to downsize my case. Unfortunately most ITX cases only support a 240mm radiator, that's just not enough for a CPU+GPU loop. The 280mm radiator support from this case is genious! Also a vertical layout is preferred, to maximise desk space. It seems my watercooled 2080 Ti will fit in this case. I will just have to figure out if I can squeeze a small pump/rad combo in there or if I will have to go for a cpu/pump combo.
Does anyone know what the maximum radiator and fan thickness is? Will a 30mm thick push pull config fit?
I want to downsize my case. Unfortunately most ITX cases only support a 240mm radiator, that's just not enough for a CPU+GPU loop. The 280mm radiator support from this case is genious! Also a vertical layout is preferred, to maximise desk space. It seems my watercooled 2080 Ti will fit in this case. I will just have to figure out if I can squeeze a small pump/rad combo in there or if I will have to go for a cpu/pump combo.
Does anyone know what the maximum radiator and fan thickness is? Will a 30mm thick push pull config fit?
Welcome to the forums! Maximum radiator+fan thickness is 62mm, so push-pull isn't happening. Push-pull setups are generally quite inefficient in terms of space/cooling (a thicker radiator with one set of fans typically performs better compared to the volume needed), so there are very few SFF cases out there supporting them.
There ought to be room for a small pump somewhere, at least in the GPU compartment - standalone DDC pumps are quite compact after all. There's also options like Alphacool's DC-LT pumps if you want even smaller. For pump+block combos you have the Alphacool LT Solo (uses the aforementioned DC-LT pump) that's relatively cheap and widely available, but not very high performance, and custom offerings like the Nouvolo Aquanaut DDC pump-block combo that fits a DDC pump of your choice. There's also a Barrow DDC pump-block combo, though that's quite a bit taller than the Aquanaut.
There are also other cases you might want to consider (either available or upcoming) with 280mm rad support: the Dan C4, Cooler Master NR200, Winter One, Sliger SV590 (360mm) (and likely a bunch more that I can't remember right now).
Edit: got Barrow and Bykski mixed up
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Might the Barrow pump / micro rez / cpu block combo fit, in three slot mode...?
62mm maximum thickness of radiator & fans; so with (optimal) 25mm thick fans, a 30mm rad would be best (most common)...?
Four 12x15 PWM fans with a 280x30mm rad would be push-pull...
Not GOOD push-pull, but...
;^p
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Also adding Sliger SM580 and the new SV540 to the list!Welcome to the forums! Maximum radiator+fan thickness is 62mm, so push-pull isn't happening. Push-pull setups are generally quite inefficient in terms of space/cooling (a thicker radiator with one set of fans typically performs better compared to the volume needed), so there are very few SFF cases out there supporting them.
There ought to be room for a small pump somewhere, at least in the GPU compartment - standalone DDC pumps are quite compact after all. There's also options like Alphacool's DC-LT pumps if you want even smaller. For pump+block combos you have the Alphacool LT Solo (uses the aforementioned DC-LT pump) that's relatively cheap and widely available, but not very high performance, and custom offerings like the Nouvolo Aquanaut DDC pump-block combo that fits a DDC pump of your choice. There's also a Barrow DDC pump-block combo, though that's quite a bit taller than the Aquanaut.
There are also other cases you might want to consider (either available or upcoming) with 280mm rad support: the Dan C4, Cooler Master NR200, Winter One, Sliger SV590 (360mm) (and likely a bunch more that I can't remember right now).
Edit: got Barrow and Bykski mixed up
I am obsessed with this case, I literally registered just to join on in the conversation. This will be my very first SFF build and it is the perfect case for me because it ticks all the boxes for me:
I've been eyeing the FormD T1 for quite sometime but they recently had a manufacturing issue and discontinued the e-white colorway. Plus their availability and turn-around time is ridiculous.
I'm so glad this case is coming to fruition and already have an ASUS X570 Strix-i on order, just hunting for an SF750 PSU and 32GB G.Skill RAM B-Die.
I've been doing a ton of research for the past couple days trying to figure what is the best configuration for this case. I am looking at mini Pump/Reservoir combos and I couldn't find anything for a D5 pump. Some of my research led me to using one of the following options:
- White Colorway
- Vertical Case
- Small Form Factor
- Availability
- 280mm Radiator
- Mesh
- TG (Non-Tinted, yeah I'm the minority on this)
I've been eyeing the FormD T1 for quite sometime but they recently had a manufacturing issue and discontinued the e-white colorway. Plus their availability and turn-around time is ridiculous.
I'm so glad this case is coming to fruition and already have an ASUS X570 Strix-i on order, just hunting for an SF750 PSU and 32GB G.Skill RAM B-Die.
I've been doing a ton of research for the past couple days trying to figure what is the best configuration for this case. I am looking at mini Pump/Reservoir combos and I couldn't find anything for a D5 pump. Some of my research led me to using one of the following options:
- Barrow CPU/Pump/Reservoir Combo
- Mini DDC 3.2 Pump w/ Reservoir (I'm not sure if there's any smaller ones but I came across the Phanteks R160)
- D5 Pump?
I remember someone asking noctua and they said 2x12x15 was more effective static pressure than a single 12x25
That might be, but at the cost of (significantly) more noise. Not only is the NF-A12x15 louder at 1850rpm than the NF-A12x25 is at 2000 rpm, but you'd also have two of x15, adding another ~3dBA of noise. The NF-A12x25 also delivers more pressure (and only slightly less airflow) at 1700rpm (with the included low noise adapter) than the x15, while the x15 loses 1/3rd of its pressure using the LNA. There's also the question of radiator density - most radiators these days are high airflow, low fin density designs, meaning that the increased pressure of two x15s might not get you any actual increase in airflow compared to a single x25.
If you're really concerned with performance, You'd get the 3000 RPM industrial Noctuas. They are comparable noise at lower RPMs, and if needed can obviously be cranked up to push as much heat as your loop can move. It will be quieterthan 2x12x15 at the same performance, and cheaper. Only downside is that their rated minimum RPM is quite high (~800?) although some units get quite lower.
I went this route. Now I just need the hwlabs radiators to come back in stock
Im doing the same. Was considering the FormD T1 but the RIDICULOUS price + slow communication and shipping turned me off (plus their issues and raising prices now because they had bad production contracts?)
I just wish we could get some preorder date so I can start planning here in europe.
Anyone else noticed this on the site?
Does this mean the cable will be certified?
Does this mean the cable will be certified?
Anyone else noticed this on the site?
Does this mean the cable will be certified?
Honestly at this moment I would never buy it for 80$, sure it might be a hassle to set up/update bios, but it's not worth more than half the value of the case for me.
Aren't the standalone ones at like 60 or so anyway? I'm willing to wait on a riser too
This is comical...
Consumers: why can't you include the 4.0 riser?! It's such a hassle to rebuild whenever I have to reset CMOS etc
Manu: Cost, inconsistency, not gaurantee to work with all motherboard and configs.
Consumer: can you at least OFFER one?!
Manu: ok...
Consumer: wtf, I'm not paying that much..I'd rather just rebuild
Consumers: why can't you include the 4.0 riser?! It's such a hassle to rebuild whenever I have to reset CMOS etc
Manu: Cost, inconsistency, not gaurantee to work with all motherboard and configs.
Consumer: can you at least OFFER one?!
Manu: ok...
Consumer: wtf, I'm not paying that much..I'd rather just rebuild
I've ended up buying a Fractal Core 500 as I needed a case before the Meshy-boi or NR200 were available in my region.
I think ill probably wait until a reliable 4.0 solution is available before I buy a case that requires a riser.
$80 seems quite excessive but then again we don't know what the failure rate is?
I think ill probably wait until a reliable 4.0 solution is available before I buy a case that requires a riser.
$80 seems quite excessive but then again we don't know what the failure rate is?
Except I never asked for a PCIe 4.0 riser with this case so don't put other people words in my mouth
If it’s guaranteed to work I have no issue buying it, gotta buy another mesh panel (if no one trades me) and DP cable lolAnyone else noticed this on the site?
Does this mean the cable will be certified?
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