Dan A4-H2O would be better suited to travel. 1/3 smaller and likely significantly lighter too.
If you're going to travel with it a lot plan your build around water cooling - way more contact points keeping the radiator in place (6+) than a heatsink (2) and much less weight related stress on the mobo during transit. Maybe C4-SFX would be worth the extra volume if you have a $$$$ GPU and can take advantage of the dual radiator support to watercool it, making the GPU less prone to damage during transit too?
I have a Gigabyte RX 6800 XT, it's quite big, and a Ryzen 5900X with AIO 240mm watercooling. I will look into the H2O, but I don't plan to travel very often, 2-3x a year.
Edit: I looked the gpu restrictions up, the card is 3mm higher (58mm) than the spec sheet of A4-H2O supports (55mm)
I have a Gigabyte RX 6800 XT, it's quite big, and a Ryzen 5900X with AIO 240mm watercooling. I will look into the H2O, but I don't plan to travel very often, 2-3x a year.
Edit: I looked the gpu restrictions up, the card is 3mm higher (58mm) than the spec sheet of A4-H2O supports (55mm)
To be clear you could reduce risk of transit damage just by choosing a smaller / lighter CPU aircooler too, although you'd still be capped at 2x contact points securing it. A good air cooling combo for portability would be a 65W 7700 CPU combined with an ID cooling IS-47-XT or IS-55 for example (355g / 450g respectively).
Is there any chance you could physically check the fit of a few more 4090 cards?
The medium sized 4090s that are right on the edge of being too large and could really benefit from a proper fit check are:
337 x 77 x 140 - MSI Gaming Trio 336 x 78 x 142 - MSI Suprim
331 x 70 x 150 - Gigabyte Windforce 340 x 75 x 150 - Gigabyte Gaming OC
The similarly named 4080 / 4090 variants from each AIB have the exact same dimensions so if you are able to fit a 4080 MSI Gaming Trio then you could be sure a 4090 MSI Gaming Trio would fit, if you are able to fit a 4080 Gigabyte Gaming OC to fit a 4090 Gigabyte Gaming OC would fit too etc..
Don't know if this was mentioned yet: L91 did a review on this PSU on his YT channel, which also compares it with the SF750, and shows that the 850R is much quieter even under higher load: Corsair SF750 Dethroned? SilverStone Extreme 850R SFX Review
The Gaming Trio & Suprim share almost identical PCBs - same length, same design & layout, Suprim just has more VRMs / Trio has a few spots for VRMs that aren't filled. The shrouds are different though - Trio is Plastic & Suprim is metal, but both roughly the same shape. Is the PW Switch PCB a different thing from the main PCB?
In pic Trio PCB is on the left - note fewer VRMs - and Suprim PCB is on the right.
@dondan for detailed planning of my build i'd need two measurements:
mainboard-top (top of pcb) to side-panel (so i can calc aio-block+fans+rad on the side)
mid of pcie-slot to top (so i can calc top rad+fans) - cause i've looked but couldn't find the info from which point the 79mm for the GPU height are measured.
thanks!
After a long time of silence I like to introduce the redesigned C4-SFX. The name comes from the German envelope norm for A4 papers so it is the big brother of the A4-SFX.
This case uses a heavly optimized classic hardware layout. The list of features is long – 280mm radiator support, big air cooler up to 145mm in height, indirect GPU cooling, ITX, deep ITX, DTX, 3.9 slot full length GPU, SFX & SFX-L Power Supply support, s.o. All this is packed in an elegant enclosure with 14L made by Lian Li. In terms of hardware support there are nearly no limits.
Possibilities
In this chapter I like to present the main hardware/cooling configurations.
The traditional hardware layouts allows for tower heatsinks with 120mm fan up to an height of 145mm like the Noctua D12L or very big top blow heatsinks like the Noctua C14S. For these configurations it is possible to mount the power supply 90° rotated. With the radiator bracket it is possible to install 120, 140, 240 or 280mm radiators with 25mm thick fans for the best cooling results. For the traditional layout you can install 3.9 slot GPUs with a length up to 336mm. Two 120 or 140mm fan mount points at the top of the case allows for indirect GPU cooling if you remove the preinstalled GPU fans.
The case does come with special air flow brackets and an RTX 40x0 Founders Edition air tunnel to force hot GPU air out of the case. This will result in much better CPU temps.
Specification
Case Dimensions (H x W x D): 253 x 166 x 350.2mm, 14.7L Overall Dimensions: 273 x 166 x 350.2 (including case feets) Weight: 3,7 Kg
Hardware Support
Graphic cards support A: 3.9 Slot GPU up to 336mm length & 137mm in height Graphic cards support B: 3 Slot GPU up to 340mm length & 148mm in height Motherboard support: Mini-ITX, DTX Power Supply support: SFX, SFX-L CPU Heatsink support: Up to 145mm in height. Case Fans: 1x80/92mm at the back, 2x120/140mm at the top and 2x120/140mm at radiator bracket Water cooling support: Dual 240 or 280mm radiator with 140x140x25mm fans
Watercooling
Max configuration: 330x140x45 + 140x140x25 fans Max Pump height: 80mm
Drives: up to 2 x 2.5" HDD/SSD
Power button: Premium-grade button
Material: 1,5mm aluminum (outer panels), 1.5mm aluminum (inner parts & top panel) Side panels: Easily clipp able with LianLi Push Pin technology Colors: Anodized black(maybe dark grey) or silver exterior, matte black painted interior Feets: Made out of two parts so you can have the classic or stealth look.
Price tag: ~200€
GPU Compatibility:
Dimension
C4-SFX 14.7L
AMD RX 7900 XT
L=276 W=113 2.5 Slot
fit
AMD RX 7900 XTX
L=287 W=123 2.5 Slot
fit
AsRock RX 7900 XTX Taichi 24GB OC
L=345 W=140 3 Slot
not fit
AsRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming 24GB OC
L=330 W=140 2.8-slot
fit
Asus RX 7900 XTX TUF
L=352.9 W=158.2 3.6 Slot
not fit
Gigabyte AORUS RX 7900 XTX ELITE
L=335 W=137 3.5 Slot
fit
Gigabyte RX 7900 XT GAMING OC
L=331 W=138 2.5 Slot
fit
PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Hellhound
L=320 W=130 3 Slot
fit
PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil
L=335 W=135 3.5 Slot
fit
Sapphire RX 7900 XTX NITRO
L=320 W=137 3.5 Slot
fit
Sapphire RX 7900 XTX Pulse
L=313 W=134 2,7 Slot
fit
XFX RX 7900 Merc 310
~L=340 W=139 3 Slot
maybe fit
Dimension
C4-SFX 14.7L
Asus RTX 4080/4090 ROG Strix
L=357 W=150 3,5 Slot
not fit
Asus RTX 4080/4090 TUF
L=348 W=152 3,65 Slot
not fit
ColorFul RTX 4080/4090 BattleAx
L=326 W=140 3 Slot
fit
ColorFul RTX 4080/4090 iGame Vulcan
L=340 W=145 3,25 Slot
not fit
Gainward RTX 4080/4090 Phantom
L=329 W=141,5 3,75 Slot
fit
Gainward RTX 4080/4090 Phoenix
L=329 W=131 3,1 Slot
fit
GIGABYTE RTX 4080/4090 AORUS MASTER
L=358,5 W=162,8 3,75 Slot
not fit
GIGABYTE RTX 4080/4090 GAMING OC
L=340 W=150 3,75 Slot
not fit
GIGABYTE RTX 4080/4090 WINDFORCE
L=331 W=150 3,5 Slot
not fit
GIGABYTE RTX 4080/4090 AORUS XTREME WATERFORCE
L=238 W=1141 2 Slot
not fit
INNO3D RTX 4080/4090 iChill Frostbite
L=336 W=146 2 Slot
not fit
INNO3D RTX 4080/4090 iChill X3
L=200 W=159 3,25 Slot
fit
INNO3D RTX 4080/4090 X3 OC
L=336 W=145 3 Slot
fit
KFA2/Galax RTX 4080/4090 HOF
L=344 W=144 3,8 Slot
not fit
KFA2/Galax RTX 4080/4090 Serious Gaming
L=336 W=138 3,5 Slot
fit
Manli RTX 4080/4090 Gallardo
L=351 W=145 3 Slot
not fit
MSI RTX 4080/4090 Ventus X3
L=322 W=136 3 Slot
fit
MSI RTX 4080/4090 Gaming Trio/ X Trio
L=336 W=140 3,25 Slot
fit
MSI RTX 4080/4090 Suprim
L=336 W=142 3,75 Slot
not fit
MSI RTX 4080/4090 Suprim Liquid
L=280 W=140 2 Slot
not fit
Nvidia 4080/4090 Founders Edition
L=305 W=137 3 Slot
fit
Palit RTX 4080/4090 GameRock
L=329 W=137 3,5 Slot
fit
PNY RTX 4080/4090 Verto
L=336 W=137 3 Slot
fit
PNY RTX 4080/4090 XLR8
L=332 W=137 3.5 Slot
fit
Zotac RTX 4080/4090 Trinity
L=356 W=165 3,5 Slot
not fit
Zotac RTX 4080/4090 AMP Extreme
L=356 W=165 3,5 Slot
not fit
Gallery
Updates:
Next Steps
Make a Prototype
Create the manual
Production Guide
Cartons and Label
Test the prototype
Reviews
Update media material
CE-Validation
Release (no release date)
Special Thanks
This case has a feature (aio bracket) first used and invented by Necere in the Ncase M1. I like to honor him for this idea and like for the A4-SFX he will be also named in the special thanks section in the manual.
Thank you for reading and your support. Please let me know what you think!
Hey guys, if you are planning to get the 40xx cards, please avoid the rog strix b550-i gaming. It's currently not compatible, you'll experience lots of crashing. You would have to wait for Asus to update their bios. And so far Asus doesn't think there are any problem with their bios.
There will be no preorder. Direct order on availibilty date. If you subscript to my newsletter you will get a reminder 7 days before launch. There will be also a countdown on my website.
Here you can buy it:
EU customers = Caseking
Australia = PCCaseGear
US, CANADA, UK, NewZealand, Norway, Emirates s.o = OverclockersUK
Japan = Dirac
I found another shop that does ship to US. This shop is partnered with OverclockersUK and does ship to every country in the world. But shipping could get high for some countries:
There will be no preorder. Direct order on availibilty date. If you subscript to my newsletter you will get a reminder 7 days before launch. There will be also a countdown on my website.
Here you can buy it:
EU customers = Caseking
Australia = PCCaseGear
US, CANADA, UK, NewZealand, Norway, Emirates s.o = OverclockersUK
Japan = Dirac
Timeline:
- The C4-SFX Batch1 production will be done on 22th march 2023
- container shipping to resellers will be 7 weeks
- local custom processing and shop arrival will be 1-2 weeks
The C4-SFX will be available mid may 2023 in the following shops:
EUROPE: Caseking and connected shops like (JIMMS.FI,GLOBALDATA.PT,Mindfactory s.o.
INTERNATIONAL: OverclockersUK and connected shops like (ComputerOrbit s.o,.)
JAPAN: Dirac
AUSTRALIA: PcCaseGear * should be available some weeks later
Direct US selling: I was not able to get a reseller in the US so I created myself a Newegg account today. I will test newegg with a smaller batches of cases in Q3 2023 on the offical DAN Cases newegg shop.
Timeline:
- The C4-SFX Batch1 production will be done on 22th march 2023
- container shipping to resellers will be 7 weeks
- local custom processing and shop arrival will be 1-2 weeks
The C4-SFX will be available mid may 2023 in the following shops:
EUROPE: Caseking and connected shops like (JIMMS.FI,GLOBALDATA.PT,Mindfactory s.o.
INTERNATIONAL: OverclockersUK and connected shops like (ComputerOrbit s.o,.)
JAPAN: Dirac
AUSTRALIA: PcCaseGear * should be available some weeks later
Direct US selling: I was not able to get a reseller in the US so I created myself a Newegg account today. I will test newegg with a smaller batches of cases in Q3 2023 on the offical DAN Cases newegg shop.
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