SKYREACH 4 MINI (S4M)

[Epinephrine]

300W sounds overkill for no GPU plus there may be some modification required to fit the 300W. The 160W AC-DC should be more than adequate for no GPU system and can even support a 1060.
Check out the NFC store as Josh sells a C8 connector that will fit both the connection to the internal brick and to the mounting holes at the back of the case.

Thanks for the answer. I already have 300W unit so I'm gonna use that. 300W hdplex AC-DC does have 3 pins while C8 connector uses only 2. Won't that cause issues down the line? Especially as I plan to move around Europe, southeast Asia and god knows where else.

 

[Broxin]

Damn so i want to upgrade to a 1080ti but there is no acceptable card right now?
im spoiled with the quietness of the msi 1070 and i7 6700
but for VR oculus rift i would need a 1080ti and a intel i7 8700... :-/

any luck with that or is it not possible?

 

[Josh | NFC]

Damn so i want to upgrade to a 1080ti but there is no acceptable card right now?
im spoiled with the quietness of the msi 1070 and i7 6700
but for VR oculus rift i would need a 1080ti and a intel i7 8700... :-/

any luck with that or is it not possible?

I think a 1070 would be fine for the rift; do you have one now and have problems? Let me know I'm curious. Thanks

 

[Broxin]

some heavy skyrim VR modding needs more than 8GB VRAM, see here:

and for animation and rendering i would need a better cpu than the i7 6700k

 

[Josh | NFC]

some heavy skyrim VR modding needs more than 8GB VRAM, see here:

and for animation and rendering i would need a better cpu than the i7 6700k

That's interesting. How are people getting past the 4GB RAM cap in Skyrim?

 

[Broxin]

Hm, good question. Its skyrim vr is based on skyrim SSE, maybe in SSE the cap isnt an issue anymore as there are more and more 4k/8k mods.

any experience with a 1080ti and i7 8700, maybe both undervolted and underclocked?

 

[dealwithitx]

Hi everyone! Is it reasonable to go for HDPLEX 300w AC-DC with a low profile GPU that fits?
I'm aiming for a futureproof brickless build in case 95W TDP CPUs in S4M become a possibility or some low-profile monster GPU appears. What kind of problems would I face?

 

[Josh | NFC]

Hm, good question. Its skyrim vr is based on skyrim SSE, maybe in SSE the cap isnt an issue anymore as there are more and more 4k/8k mods.

any experience with a 1080ti and i7 8700, maybe both undervolted and underclocked?

I've built lots of 1080ti S4M/S4M-C MINIs (and made three videos on it), which is why I was recommending the 1070 for Skyrim. But if you want a slight bumpgrade a 1080 I think would be fine, mods or not. I thought Skyrim could only address a certain amount of VRAM (between 3 and 4GB when I was modding, I dont remember) so I'm not sure the 1080ti would really make a huge difference, especially since the Occulus res (2160×2400) could easily be handled by it.

Now CPU speed, I think the 8700 would be amazing...I don't see a need for some extra clock speed from the K especially since when I was doing my VR tests with Fallout 4 I couldn't get the CPU to matter much. I wasn't doing super heavy mods but I did have some some enbs loaded.

I'm not an expert in Skyrim and Fallout hyper modding, I'm just stating my experience and asking for some clarity so I have better understanding.

Best of luck finding what you need and making it happen!

 

[Josh | NFC]

Hi everyone! Is it reasonable to go for HDPLEX 300w AC-DC with a low profile GPU that fits?
I'm aiming for a futureproof brickless build in case 95W TDP CPUs in S4M become a possibility or some low-profile monster GPU appears. What kind of problems would I face?

Check out this post:

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/skyreach-4-mini-s4m.5715/page-44#post-83437

To answer your question--no, I don't think it is worth it. The HDPLEX 160 AC/DC works fine for the MINI. A 95w CPU can work in the MINI but it's like taking a sports bike with knobbies on a single track trail. Yes, it can work, but its not designed for it and its not ideal either.

There are PSUs in development now to fit in the MINI with normal size GPUs anyway, but as someone who builds tons and tons of MINIs I can say there is something beautiful and refined about a 65w CPU with a 1080. It is quiet, fast, and works amazing. 90+ CPUs and 1080tis are just not beautiful to me.

My 2c though, feel free to toss in the nearest well

Peace

 

[McTeags]

My 2c though, feel free to toss in the nearest well

Peace

Your 2 cents or your 2 Celsius? I can’t tell if that was a pun or not.

 

[dealwithitx]

Check out this post:

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/skyreach-4-mini-s4m.5715/page-44#post-83437

To answer your question--no, I don't think it is worth it. The HDPLEX 160 AC/DC works fine for the MINI. A 95w CPU can work in the MINI but it's like taking a sports bike with knobbies on a single track trail. Yes, it can work, but its not designed for it and its not ideal either.

There are PSUs in development now to fit in the MINI with normal size GPUs anyway, but as someone who builds tons and tons of MINIs I can say there is something beautiful and refined about a 65w CPU with a 1080. It is quiet, fast, and works amazing. 90+ CPUs and 1080tis are just not beautiful to me.

My 2c though, feel free to toss in the nearest well

Peace

Thanks for the info! I'll stick with my Dell 330W for now then. Love the case!

 

[Broxin]

Check out this post:

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/skyreach-4-mini-s4m.5715/page-44#post-83437

To answer your question--no, I don't think it is worth it. The HDPLEX 160 AC/DC works fine for the MINI. A 95w CPU can work in the MINI but it's like taking a sports bike with knobbies on a single track trail. Yes, it can work, but its not designed for it and its not ideal either.

There are PSUs in development now to fit in the MINI with normal size GPUs anyway, but as someone who builds tons and tons of MINIs I can say there is something beautiful and refined about a 65w CPU with a 1080. It is quiet, fast, and works amazing. 90+ CPUs and 1080tis are just not beautiful to me.

My 2c though, feel free to toss in the nearest well

Peace

Hey Josh, which 1080 and 60w cpu would you recommend for the z370 chipset?

Would you generally go for intel or amd cpu's if power/heat efficiency is the priority?

 

[McTeags]

Hey Josh, which 1080 and 60w cpu would you recommend for the z370 chipset?

Would you generally go for intel or amd cpu's if power/heat efficiency is the priority?

I’m not Josh but there are two GTX 1080 minis you can choose from at the moment. The Zotac or Gigabyte models. If at some point in the undefined future you want to have an internal power supply in your S4M then the Gigabyte model would be the way to go. However, if you’re planning to use an external power supply for the long term then whichever one you can get for a better price will provide you with more value.

For CPUs, the new Zen+ chips from AMD have just come out so the competition has heated up again! For 65w CPUs you’re looking at mid tier: i5 8400 vs r5 2600 (~$200) and top tier: i5 8700 vs r7 2700 (~$300). Which one you choose is dependent on your workload or brand preference. I would recommend an AMD chip for a multipurpose workstation or productivity based machine and an Intel chip for a more gaming focused machine.

Edit: Oh for z370. You’re looking for an Intel chip then. Whoops. Well maybe someone else will find that section useful.

 

[dealwithitx]

Has anyone tried liquid metal with 8700k?

 

[dumplinknet]

Has anyone tried liquid metal with 8700k?

It's been done endless times on several YT channels. The difference it's about 2-3 deg cooler .

 

[Broxin]

Has anyone tried liquid metal with 8700k?

ive done it on an i7 6700k
5° difference

I’m not Josh but there are two GTX 1080 minis you can choose from at the moment. The Zotac or Gigabyte models. If at some point in the undefined future you want to have an internal power supply in your S4M then the Gigabyte model would be the way to go. However, if you’re planning to use an external power supply for the long term then whichever one you can get for a better price will provide you with more value.

For CPUs, the new Zen+ chips from AMD have just come out so the competition has heated up again! For 65w CPUs you’re looking at mid tier: i5 8400 vs r5 2600 (~$200) and top tier: i5 8700 vs r7 2700 (~$300). Which one you choose is dependent on your workload or brand preference. I would recommend an AMD chip for a multipurpose workstation or productivity based machine and an Intel chip for a more gaming focused machine.

Edit: Oh for z370. You’re looking for an Intel chip then. Whoops. Well maybe someone else will find that section useful.

Sorry wrongly quoted, but yeah, i was asking Josh but thanks for your input anyways.
i have a S4C with z270i Mobo + a i7 6700k right now and a 1070 msi
I was thinking about upgrading to a z370 and a i7 8700 and a 1080

so my question was if i should still go for the CPU by intel or go for an AMD that is same as the 8700 or surpasses it.
and it has to fit into the thermical limitations of the S4C :-/

 

[kulbida]

ive done it on an i7 6700k
5° difference



Sorry wrongly quoted, but yeah, i was asking Josh but thanks for your input anyways.
i have a S4C with z270i Mobo + a i7 6700k right now and a 1070 msi
I was thinking about upgrading to a z370 and a i7 8700 and a 1080

so my question was if i should still go for the CPU by intel or go for an AMD that is same as the 8700 or surpasses it.
and it has to fit into the thermical limitations of the S4C :-/

If you already have a 1070 you may want to wait until July to upgrade. The 1100 series cards are likely to launch in July.

 

[Andy_Zhang]

Waiting for my S4M to arrive! What's the screw size/standard for holding the front panel in place?

 

[brt02]

It's been done endless times on several YT channels. The difference it's about 2-3 deg cooler .

It should be way better than that. My temps went from 99C to 83C, when stress testing (8700K/Noctua L9i).

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...vs-ryzen-streaming-gaming-overclocking/page-2

 

[dealwithitx]

It should be way better than that. My temps went from 99C to 83C, when stress testing (8700K/Noctua L9i).

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...vs-ryzen-streaming-gaming-overclocking/page-2

Did you undervolt your 8700k?