S4 MINI Classic (S4M-C)

Josh | NFC

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ULTIMATE S4 MINI (Classic) THREAD INDEX
Updated: November 20th, 2017

History of the S4 MINI (S4M-C):
SFF.net Interview
I introduce the S4 MINI

Differences between S3 and S4M-C:
Twitter Link

LP53 VS NHl9i DELID:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-125#post-39993

8700K in a S4M-C THERMAL TESTING:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-209#post-68531

Undervolting and tuning a 8700K (and other CPUs) on an ASUS board

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/s4-mini-classic-s4m-c.96/page-209#post-68531


Best 1070s for the S4M-C and how to fit them:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/audio-upd-3-review-of-mini-gtx-1070-cards-nfc-s4-case.2586/
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-127#post-40465

1080 in a S4M-C:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-91#post-32818

How to install a 1080ti in a S4M-C (and the 3D Bezels)
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/s4-mini-walnut-front-with-1080-mini.3089/#post-60618
YouTube instruction video
Youtube full build video

How to remove studs from R1 and R2 S4M-C:
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=aWvM9gGqEmY

Wrapped S4M-C (Obsolete due to SkySkins)
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-109#post-35528
My Attempt

S4M-C Size Compared to other SFF cases:
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-115#post-36500
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-121#post-38933

"Brickless" 1050ti S4M-C:
https://smallformfactor.net/articles/feature/community-feature-kmpkts-orangulan

My thoughts on Dust Filters for the S4M-C
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/nfc-systems-s4-mini.96/page-10#post-8385


 
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Josh | NFC

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Alive and kicking! Man, I have had so many setbacks and battled so many lawyers separating the IP but I have put in the P.O. for the run! I will be showing off the system at PDX LAN in July, and expect to have preorders up by then.

I'm excited about the invite to this forum so I can share some of my discoveries about the process and learn from others going through similar ordeals. :D

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MJVR1

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Noice, Looks beautiful. Can't wait to see what you show off at PDX Lan.
 

rawr

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Hopefully you can generate more interest with this thread! Good luck.

PS are those spare S3 Minis on ghe back shelf there
 

veryrarium

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Nice to know S3/S3mini isn't the last of your console PC project.
One thing that left me confused after watching the video is which DC-DC converter you have in mind that's to be used in S4. At one point you mention a max 19 Amp Dell brick so you have those old 12V ones in mind, then you have a caption indicating 19.5V 10.5 Amp Dell brick. Also you mention this case should handle 380W total TDP from the CPU and the GPU, but I see a mini DC-DC board in the rendering that is of the stick-it-into-the-24pin-socket type, and whether you go with picoPSU, picobox Z-series, or some other obscure mini DC-DC board that you can find from China, I don't think any of those mini DC-DC boards have enough 12V line, at least based on their rated max and peak amps. If you go with the HD Plex 250W one or picobox X3/X7, you would need a space somewhere inside the case to mount it in that I don't see in the rendering in case you use a dual slot "ITX" GPU like Sapphire's R9 285 that you mention.
 

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Very thoughtfully made. The wrap-around brushed aluminum facade, in particular, is brilliant.

Will be following this! Look forward to updates :D
 

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Thanks for the comments! Veryrarium, I don't think at this time I will be selling PSUs, but maybe accessories (wiring, connectors) and providing links and resources for choosing your own small format PSU. The chassis will actually fit a HD-Plex PSU in the front under the power button aperture for 19v solutions, or if the end user prefers they can go with a PICO solution. I have actually tested mini-box's PSU up to 260w constant @12v. You need to upgrade the cabling to 15 AWG, but it takes it like a champ. I am going to be making a video of how to do this.

In the end, I just want to help out fellow enthusiasts who are looking for the compromises and design that the S4 offers. I already have one business that is my "job." XD
 

rawr

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Thanks for the comments! Veryrarium, I don't think at this time I will be selling PSUs, but maybe accessories (wiring, connectors) and providing links and resources for choosing your own small format PSU. The chassis will actually fit a HD-Plex PSU in the front under the power button aperture for 19v solutions, or if the end user prefers they can go with a PICO solution. I have actually tested mini-box's PSU up to 260w constant @12v. You need to upgrade the cabling to 15 AWG, but it takes it like a champ. I am going to be making a video of how to do this.

In the end, I just want to help out fellow enthusiasts who are looking for the compromises and design that the S4 offers. I already have one business that is my "job." XD
Which power brick would be able to supply the 260W?
 

veryrarium

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Thanks Josh, I didn't think the HD-Plex one would fit but it's good to know that it does fit.
 

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I like it! But personally, I liked the S3 Elite/Mini a bit more. Having the GPU and CPU coolers intake from one side seems like a more versatile solution in my eyes.
 

rawr

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I like it! But personally, I liked the S3 Elite/Mini a bit more. Having the GPU and CPU coolers intake from one side seems like a more versatile solution in my eyes.
Yeah, but the custom riser needed for that was pretty expensive.
 

Josh | NFC

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I love the comments and suggestions. I love the S3 Mini and I hope to bring back another run in the future, but since this is my hobby I can really only handle one at a time. The S4 offers more of the features from the S3 Elite without the STUPID high cost of milling out a 2" block of 6061T aluminum :)

I agree that having the GPU fan and CPU fan on the same plane made cooling easier, but so far I am surprised and satisfied with how the S4 performs in a horizontal orientation. I'm not a fan of feet but I have had a couple comments saying they like how that looks better...going to show that everyone's tastes are different!

Rawr, I do have a couple S3 Minis in the back that one of my larger customers hasn't used yet...as well as some other prototypes. I'm thinking about using them for a charity but I'm still debating on how to go about it. Also, Meanwell sells a PSU that with some mods supports the 260 watts...and more. I want to make that video this week. :)

I just finished powdercoating some of the parts. I never have done a green...so I went with a two stage fluorescent candy green over a silver hammertone. It shifts between a neon yellow and fluorescent green in the light. This is just for the show, obviously:

 
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rawr

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Also, Meanwell sells a PSU that with some mods supports the 260 watts...and more. I want to make that video this week. :)
So I looked at Meanwell's products, and I think this is these are the most powerful desktop ones that they offer:
http://www.meanwell.com/webapp/product/search.aspx?prod=GS280
There is a 260W brick, but it's 20V, whereas the Pico is 12V. Will the GS280A12-C4P (the 12V 222W brick) be able to handle higher wattages?
 

Aibohphobia

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You're holding out on us Josh, just noticed you have pics on your FB page with it built in :p





Man that looks good.
 

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Nice seeying this come together nicely !
Cute heatsink on your WiFi card :p
 

rawr

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Which GPU was used in this?

All I have to work it out from is the IO:
 

iFreilicht

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That photography is top-notch. But I'm a bit weary about the SSD position behind the GPU. I know it's a convenient location, but that drive is going to get really hot.