@fabio how are the ‘auto’ turbo limits impacting performance? I saw on your blender screen cap that the 9900k dropped to 4.7, but hit 5ghz earlier in the test (which also drew more power as the maximum is higher than the current on the screenshot). I’ve never run a Blender test so I don’t know if that’s expected (or it’s just an AVX workload), but is it possible the motherboard is power limiting the cpu at times (possibly having a different impact on the 9900k vs the 8700k)?
Oh wow, so how much play is available in setting the divider position? E.g. how granular could one set the CPU side clearance within the 48-70mm range? I had assumed there were only two fixed positions for it to sit—having the freedom to push it a few mm one way or the other is a neat feature!
This is a good point. Looking at the power draw doesn't seem the MB is limiting the CPU, and the 4.7GHz lower speed I think is related to the use of AVX by Blender. I will manually remove all power limits and I will let you know!
For me, it's just strange that at the same speed, the 8700K seems faster than the 9900K anyway. Maybe is related to some microcode or whatever? (I am talking without thinking, of course...)
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Yes, aluminum ventilated side panel.
No, 2 tone = front must be 2 pieces anodized in different colors.
For cost reasons, no customs in 2019. Beggars can't be choosers, effectively, we don't have negotiating power with this manufacturer. They are essentially doing me a favor. I'm not saying never, but not 2019.
TBD.
Just FYI, Space Gray anodizing cost more than the the entire case, so an all Space Gray version will be $500+, just managing expectations.
The only way <$300 is to use *non-Apple Space Gray, like most Space Gray products on the market.
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Curious if there's a reason why the default configuration isn't flipped (i.e. with the fans on top). Isn't that always going to be better from an airflow perspective, especially given that the fans underneath won't have a lot of clearance from the top of the desk? And wouldn't you generally want the radiator above the pump anyways?
I guess I'm just confused about why the default is to have the fan/240mm radiator area underneath rather than above.
I guess I'm just confused about why the default is to have the fan/240mm radiator area underneath rather than above.
See image above. It's supported by a 10x10mm aluminum piece, no flex.
I stood on the chassis of prototype 1 (I do this with all of the cases as part of my test) and wiggle my foot around a little to feel out the how steady the frame / foundation is. I'm 80+KG.
I also stack jumped onto the chassis (no components inside).
It's got that tank feeling.
Between adjusting 1) back I/O plate relative the CNC chassis, 2) PCIe riser standoffs, 3) motherboard tray mounting, 4) motherboard standoffs, I'm trying to get ~ 5mm of wiggle room, ~0.25 GPU slot.
Positive airflow pressure = less dust inside the case.
If the fans intake from the bottom, with dust filter, the air pressure inside the case will be higher = less dusty inside.
If the case is flipped, with fans in exhaust mode, it will be negative pressure, so dust will creep into the case through the cracks.
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In prototype 2, a 30mm thick radiator will not touch the bottom of the case, b/c there is 41mm of vertical space for radiator.
- In the front 120mm AIO, 11mm left inside the case + 5mm on the feet, that's 16mm intake for the AIO
- For the 120x25mm fan under the Mobo, it will be 16 + 5 = 21mm of intake
For the power supply, it's moved to gain another 5mm between the cables and the fan.
The extra increase for airflow should make it enough difference to cancel out the fan filter. It will also get the most out of 120mm AIO.
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@Wahaha360 Thank you so much for your honest responses!
But yeah, I didnt mean it HAD to be space grey, just a gray color similiar to it.
EDIT: Any chance for a Black and Gray option?
But yeah, I didnt mean it HAD to be space grey, just a gray color similiar to it.
EDIT: Any chance for a Black and Gray option?
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The way you present your temperatures makes it terribly confusing. You should not have so many windows about stuff that isn't needed. Keep temprature, voltage and frequency, ditch the rest. It will make checking your temperatures A LOT easier.
You’re welcome!
But this is not about temperature...
I don’t see the problem to post all the info. Who know how to read, will read. Who cannot, have google to learn or just ask what she/he is interested for.
Anyway, CORE PACKAGE is for TEMPS,
VCORE is for voltage, FREQUENCY is for FREQUENCY. Maybe is more clear!
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Wow! Would a sfx-l (silverstone sx-800lti) fit on this badboy, on a full aircooled build and 3 slot gpu bracket config? (nhl9i + 2080 ftw3)
Great case!
Great case!
Not supporting SFX-L b/c the form factor is dying, as in SFX is going to get more watts soon.
The Corsair SF750 is the highest end unit, but there might be higher wattage ones for ATX cases in the future, which leaves SFX-L in a weird place.
Is 120x30mm radiator all you need for i9-9900K and upcoming 3700X/3800X?
Time to do some tests.
First, I want to see if HWL LS120 is better than the Koolance HX-CU420V.
fabio, can we coordinate on a radiator test?
Let's control components and setup to isolate radiator performance.
I think these are the parts we have in common
- A4 V3 chassis (no outer panels, SFX outside chassis, only aio installed, we test like open bench)
- 9900K + Asus Z390 ITX + GSkill DDR4 3200 + Samsung 960 EVO M.2
- Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + Noctua NF-A12x25 Sterrox Fans + XSPC TX 240 Radiator + 10mm ID Tubes
- Corsair SF600 / SF750
Here is my thinking:
1. let's pick CPU benchmark test,
2. compare Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + XSPC TX 240 radiator + 10mm ID tubes temperature,
3. once our results are similar on TX240 test, I will test Koolance HX-CU420V, you test HWL LS120
4. we compare results
What do you think?
Time to do some tests.
First, I want to see if HWL LS120 is better than the Koolance HX-CU420V.
fabio, can we coordinate on a radiator test?
Let's control components and setup to isolate radiator performance.
I think these are the parts we have in common
- A4 V3 chassis (no outer panels, SFX outside chassis, only aio installed, we test like open bench)
- 9900K + Asus Z390 ITX + GSkill DDR4 3200 + Samsung 960 EVO M.2
- Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + Noctua NF-A12x25 Sterrox Fans + XSPC TX 240 Radiator + 10mm ID Tubes
- Corsair SF600 / SF750
Here is my thinking:
1. let's pick CPU benchmark test,
2. compare Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + XSPC TX 240 radiator + 10mm ID tubes temperature,
3. once our results are similar on TX240 test, I will test Koolance HX-CU420V, you test HWL LS120
4. we compare results
What do you think?
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It's perfect for me! (BTW, I have time from 7th till 11th of February.Update 2019-02-01 : what if 120x30mm radiator is all you need for i9-9900K and upcoming 3700X/3800X
Time do some tests.
fabio, can we coordinate on a radiator test?
Let's control components to isolate HWL LS120 radiator performance.
The parts I have:
I think these are the parts we have in common
- A4 V3 chassis (no outer panels, we test like open bench)
- 9900K + Asus Z390 ITX + GSkill DDR4 3200 + Samsung 960 EVO M.2
- Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + Noctua NF-A12x25 Sterrox Fans + XSPC TX 240 Radiator + 10mm ID Tubes
- Corsair SF600 / SF750
Here is my thinking:
1. let's pick CPU benchmark test,
2. compare Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + XSPC TX 240 radiator + 10mm ID tubes res temperature,
3. once our results are similar on benchmark test, I will test Koolance HX-CU420V, you test HWL LS120
4. we compare results
What do you think?
I confirm:
- A4 V3 no panels
- 9900K (normal sample) + ASUS Z390 ITX, GSkill 3200 C14 + Samsung 970 Pro (512GB)
- Eisbaer LT DC-LT Pump + Noctua Sterrox + TX240 + 10mm Tube.
- Corsair SF600 Platinum.
I think we need to have the same tubing length maybe? How do you want to setup the DAN? Everything inside, only the radiator Outside?
You can also setup the BIOS profile, save the file and send to me! I am using the last bios.
Anyway, let me know how do you want to procede!
BTW, I cannot use the Titan RTX for now, I have an RTX 2070 or Quadro P4000 free. Is it ok?
Even without, using the iGPU
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I have nothing to do with the testing, obviously, BUT how in hell is going to be reflective of real world if you remove the side panels?
The heat generated inside the case can effect cooling in various ways OR all the component would be effected similarly?
Thanks.
The heat generated inside the case can effect cooling in various ways OR all the component would be effected similarly?
Thanks.
It would at least provide ideal and equal scenario to compare the usual 240mm AIO and the proposed 120mm AIO. The idea is to support the suggestion that a proper 120 is on par or better than some 240mm.
You can't perform that test on the prototype since IRC, it doesn't accept 240 rad
Actually, it supports the 240 rad! Just some, but the support is there.
BUT in any case, even with the panel ON, is not a real scenario, because the case is different! As @chyll2 said, it is to compare the cooling performance of 120 rad with the 9900K!
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