Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

[chyll2]

I dont know if this has been asked, but will it also be shipped from Taiwan?

 

[Wahaha360]

I dont know if this has been asked, but will it also be shipped from Taiwan?

It will ship from China.

Unfortunately, CNC culture is not as abundant and mature in Taiwan vs China.

 

[Beardedswede]

Any idea of pricing?
Personally I don't care about the AIO. Just like the clean look, sturdy build and room for the noctua 12s.

 

[Wahaha360]

Any idea of pricing?
Personally I don't care about the AIO. Just like the clean look, sturdy build and room for the noctua 12s.

$240 - $270, it's on first post.

 

[HZCH]

@Wahaha360, did you try a 48mm CPU aircooler in one of your prototype ? Your case ticks most of my back-to-back dreamcase, including a 3-slote option for my GTX1080TI. But I'm not aware of a good "sounding" 48mm CPU cooler that wouldn't sound like a jet engine against the panel...

 

[AP2]

@Wahaha360 I think I missed it, but do you have a date in mind when these will actually be available?

 

[Wahaha360]

@Wahaha360, did you try a 48mm CPU aircooler in one of your prototype ? Your case ticks most of my back-to-back dreamcase, including a 3-slote option for my GTX1080TI. But I'm not aware of a good "sounding" 48mm CPU cooler that wouldn't sound like a jet engine against the panel...

I gave up on 48mm air coolers, that's why this case supports AIO + 3 slots (high temp parts).

Times are different, I don't think Intel and AMD cares about TDP in the race for performance, it's just not a priority. They want more cores and higher clocks, AMD 7nm is actually closer to Intel 10nm, according to GamerNexus, so don't expect miracles with Ryzen 3000 series. I'm NOT saying it's going to be hotter, but don't expect 95W for high end CPU.

Based on Nvidia's latest GPUs and AMD CES announcements, I think GPU power efficiency will be sidelined for performance too.

This direction completely f*&ks over SFF case design, this why we are rushing to bolster cooling for these cases.

 

[Wahaha360]

@Wahaha360 I think I missed it, but do you have a date in mind when these will actually be available?

March preorder, May shipping most likely.

Basically when I get to China to do the QA. The actual production is not he bottleneck, QA, aka, my time, is the bottleneck.

 

[scatterforce]

Wow. That's great!

I plan to do my next build this summer, and I have been eyeing the mjolnir.... But they are estimating September. Shipping in May would be perfect.

Edit: question for you. I'm wanting an all air build. Will 2 of these fit? They are 140mm fans with 120 mounts.
https://noctua.at/en/nf-a15-hs-pwm-chromax-black-swap

 

[Wahaha360]

Wow. That's great!

I plan to do my next build this summer, and I have been eyeing the mjolnir.... But they are estimating September. Shipping in May would be perfect.

Edit: question for you. I'm wanting an all air build. Will 2 of these fit? They are 140mm fans with 120 mounts.
https://noctua.at/en/nf-a15-hs-pwm-chromax-black-swap

They are too wide, so will not fit.

Stick to the NF-A12x25 Sterrox fans, paint them black like fabio if you have too. This layout in general is very sensitive to airflow and static pressure, because the component layout is too dense, barely any room for air to flow to begin with, so a bad fan is really going to bad.

They are better than the Chromax fans in this case. Because 1) Noctua told me so and 2) I tried with NF-F12 Chromax 120mm.

 

[scatterforce]

They are too wide, so will not fit.

Stick to the NF-A12x25 Sterrox fans, paint them black like fabio if you have too. This layout in general is very sensitive to airflow and static pressure, because the component layout is too dense, barely any room for air to flow to begin with, so a bad fan is really going to bad.

They are better than the Chromax fans in this case. Because 1) Noctua told me so and 2) I tried with NF-F12 Chromax 120mm.

Thank you for the quick reply. I really appreciate your attention to detail on this project.

 

[fabio]

They are too wide, so will not fit.

Stick to the NF-A12x25 Sterrox fans, paint them black like fabio if you have too. This layout in general is very sensitive to airflow and static pressure, because the component layout is too dense, barely any room for air to flow to begin with, so a bad fan is really going to bad.

They are better than the Chromax fans in this case. Because 1) Noctua told me so and 2) I tried with NF-F12 Chromax 120mm.

Actually mine are Gentle Typhoon, Black Version. I am testing now the 1850rpm PMW.
BRW, are as good as the Sterrox,I have also the 2150 PMW and DC.

 

[HZCH]

I gave up on 48mm air coolers, that's why this case supports AIO + 3 slots (high temp parts).

Times are different, I don't think Intel and AMD cares about TDP in the race for performance, it's just not a priority. They want more cores and higher clocks, AMD 7nm is actually closer to Intel 10nm, according to GamerNexus, so don't expect miracles with Ryzen 3000 series. I'm NOT saying it's going to be hotter, but don't expect 95W for high end CPU.

Based on Nvidia's latest GPUs and AMD CES announcements, I think GPU power efficiency will be sidelined for performance too.

This direction completely f*&ks over SFF case design, this why we are rushing to bolster cooling for these cases.

Thanks for your precise answer and your time! Well, I don't like AiO, especially for the sound they make, but I guess I'll have to start looking for one that's good enough...

 

[Legion]

Solid side panels just aren't going to suit air coolers in this project.
There are fairly quiet AIO's out there, won't take you long to find one

 

[fabio]

So, I did some test today to evaluate the performance of 2 of my 120 radiators, inside a DAN Case, here the specs:

Intel 9900K "normal" sample (the silicon lottery one is in the DA2):

MCE disabled
All Cores OC at 47
AVX 0
Vcore 1.300V (is not a good sample for this)
VCCIO 1.05V
VCCSA 1.15V
LLC Auto
Power Limit 210W

Gigabyte Z390 ITX (the VRMs heatsink sucks. under Prime95, the VRMs were reaching 118 degrees freezing the system. I've placed a fan only on those, to keep the system training.

G.Skill XMP 3200MHz C14 1.35V
Nvidia RTX 2070
Samsung 970 Pro with an EK M.2 Heatsink
Gunique power supply+brick rated 700W (can sustain loads of 900W)
Kryonaut Thermal Paste spread on the IHS

All panel closed, (opened a small portion after 15 min of Prime95 to low down the VRM temp)



Ambient temp: 22.5 Degrees

Radiators tested:

HW Labs LS120 30mm + Darkside Gentle Typhoon 1850 PWM (Standard profile in BIOS)
XSPC TX120 20.5mm + Darkside Gentle Typhoon 1850 PWM (Standard profile in BIOS)

For both, EKWB Clear tubes, Aquacomputer clear DP Ultra coolant, Koolance low profile 90 degrees fittings+Barrow compression fittings 13/10mm

CPU block+pump combo Alphacool Eisbaer LT (DC-LT 2600RPM)



Test:

WARM UP the system for 15 minutes, then wait 5 minutes and take the IDLE temp
BLENDER: 25 minutes rendering the Cosmos Laundromat demo
(https://download.blender.org/demo/test/benchmark.zip)
For Blender was enough a Vcore of 1.250V, and in that case, the temps were lower of 5/6 degrees, FYI)

PRIME95: 30 minutes sFFT

HERE THE RESULTS:

HWL LS120






XSPC TX120






What do you think guys??? The 120mm is not so bad with the 9900K! (@dondan, maybe can be helpful for you as well!)

 

[Nanook]

So, I did some test today to evaluate the performance of 2 of my 120 radiators, inside a DAN Case, here the specs:

Intel 9900K "normal" sample (the silicon lottery one is in the DA2):

MCE disabled
All Cores OC at 47
AVX 0
Vcore 1.300V (is not a good sample for this)
VCCIO 1.05V
VCCSA 1.15V
LLC Auto
Power Limit 210W

Gigabyte Z390 ITX (the VRMs heatsink sucks. under Prime95, the VRMs were reaching 118 degrees freezing the system. I've placed a fan only on those, to keep the system training.

G.Skill XMP 3200MHz C14 1.35V
Nvidia RTX 2070
Samsung 970 Pro with an EK M.2 Heatsink
Gunique power supply+brick rated 700W (can sustain loads of 900W)
Kryonaut Thermal Paste spread on the IHS

All panel closed, (opened a small portion after 15 min of Prime95 to low down the VRM temp)



Ambient temp: 22.5 Degrees

Radiators tested:

HW Labs LS120 30mm + Darkside Gentle Typhoon 1850 PWM (Standard profile in BIOS)
XSPC TX120 20.5mm + Darkside Gentle Typhoon 1850 PWM (Standard profile in BIOS)

For both, EKWB Clear tubes, Aquacomputer clear DP Ultra coolant, Koolance low profile 90 degrees fittings+Barrow compression fittings 13/10mm

CPU block+pump combo Alphacool Eisbaer LT (DC-LT 2600RPM)



Test:

WARM UP the system for 15 minutes, then wait 5 minutes and take the IDLE temp
BLENDER: 25 minutes rendering the Cosmos Laundromat demo
(https://download.blender.org/demo/test/benchmark.zip)
For Blender was enough a Vcore of 1.250V, and in that case, the temps were lower of 5/6 degrees, FYI)

PRIME95: 30 minutes sFFT

HERE THE RESULTS:

HWL LS120






XSPC TX120






What do you think guys??? The 120mm is not so bad with the 9900K! (@dondan, maybe can be helpful for you as well!)

Wow great temps. Good sign for this case (and the A4)

 

[fabio]

Wow great temps. Good sign for this case (and the A4)

Indeed! And for the TX I've posted the worse one!
I was not brave enough to overclock more!!

 

[Nanook]

Indeed! And for the TX I've posted the worse one!
I was not brave enough to overclock more!!

My air cooler A4 build (8700K, LP53+TY100, Quadro P4000) has the CPU severely limited to stay cool. Your numbers are very promising.

 

[hgrhg]

I am from China, I don't know English, the following is Google Translate:
I really like it, I want to know how to buy it?
thank you very much

 

[fabio]

My air cooler A4 build (8700K, LP53+TY100, Quadro P4000) has the CPU severely limited to stay cool. Your numbers are very promising.

I know. I was never able to cool down properly the 8700k as well on air. I’ve tried all the options, but at the end Inwas always stepping back to the Noctua L9, but zero overclock!