To be fair it is only 12mm check this value on a ruler it is not that mutch. Also it will make the case look slimer because of the changed width height ratio.
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To be fair it is only 12mm check this value on a ruler it is not that mutch. Also it will make the case look slimer because of the changed width height ratio.
Yeah, fair enough, it's also understandable to look at it like thisTo be fair it is only 12mm check this value on a ruler it is not that mutch. Also it will make the case look slimer because of the changed width height ratio.
But inch by inch (or half inch actually ) it is getting bigger and bigger.If there were one dimension where +-12mm increase would make a big difference it would be the width, then a NH-U12A would fit
. That would make it way too big though, plus that brings us back to the ratios you mentioned, they are obviously important as well.Anyway, just my 2c as a potential customer, it's all your own choice of course, do what you think makes sense
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I prefer slightly larger case to fit at least current gen GPUs.
253 (H) x 166 (W) x 346.2 mm = 14.54 L
253 (H) x 166 (W) x 346.2 mm = 14.54 L
Thinking about the matter, IMHO it is worth paying the price of waiting an additional 3 months and the increasing those 12mm to have better current and future compatibility. The case will still be awesome.To be fair it is only 12mm check this value on a ruler it is not that mutch. Also it will make the case look slimer because of the changed width height ratio.
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It really is a difficult decision, particularly if you are looking at a 4 year life cycle.
From certain perspectives, the growing GPU power race that's driving the size changes is madness when we are meant to be conserving energy.
It really is a difficult decision, particularly if you are looking at a 4 year life cycle.
From certain perspectives, the growing GPU power race that's driving the size changes is madness when we are meant to be conserving energy.
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Either way, its a beautiful looking case again!
Thanks for all your dedication and for letting us participate into your thought process.
(long time lurker, proud A4 4.1 owner)
Thanks for all your dedication and for letting us participate into your thought process.
(long time lurker, proud A4 4.1 owner)
I'm sure you have already considered this, but I want to highlight market segmentation. I think niches are important to find and inhabit. What that means here is, try to be at a good size for your feature set that no other case has. Have the most compatibility per litre. The larger your case, the more competitors you have, and you'll be more directly compared by other factors like price, availability, shipping time, quality, etc. I loved the A4 because it fulfilled its niche well. For my next case, I am looking at 3-slots, air only (so classic layout for CPU cooler), from a reputable manufacturer, and as small as possible. At the moment, C4 looks very attractive, with the added bonus of the innovative upside down orientation. But, the bigger it gets, the more other products I have to start considering.
I do agree that a limited availability of the compatible cards does hurt the usability of the product, but at least they exist. For this generation at least, I think the combination of crypto's newfound unpopularity and the price point of the 4000 series should lead to a better supply situation.
I hope this feedback helps, and I am excited to see what you create.
I do agree that a limited availability of the compatible cards does hurt the usability of the product, but at least they exist. For this generation at least, I think the combination of crypto's newfound unpopularity and the price point of the 4000 series should lead to a better supply situation.
I hope this feedback helps, and I am excited to see what you create.
I made a CAD drawing of the bigger C4-SFX. Now you can see both cases next to each other:
Personally I like the bigger one because it allows better top rad/fans compatibility, and the overall size is still very compact.
I‘ll admit that the proportions look better. But whatabaout the 13.37 ??? ;-)
I would also prefer the larger version. If the case was delivered to most users as it is now, many users will surely wish for it to be a bit larger. This is my opinion.
I'm currently in the same situation with the Ncase. If it was just a little bigger I could fit an MSI 6800 XT. but it just doesn't fit. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
I'm currently in the same situation with the Ncase. If it was just a little bigger I could fit an MSI 6800 XT. but it just doesn't fit. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
I would also prefer the larger version. If the case was delivered to most users as it is now, many users will surely wish for it to be a bit larger. This is my opinion.
I'm currently in the same situation with the Ncase. If it was just a little, little bigger I could fit an MSI 6800 XT. but it's not. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
I'm currently in the same situation with the Ncase. If it was just a little, little bigger I could fit an MSI 6800 XT. but it's not. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
Honestly, I am not in a rush for a new build and will buy this case with or without the 3 month delay, but for me it doesn't matter, because I will unlikely go higher than a 4070 (Currently have rtx 2070 and am fine with it). My only question is: even if the case is made to fit the 4090, will it really matter given the new characteristics of Ryzen CPUs and the insane power draws of the RTX 4090? Do you think it will be able to adequately cool such a combo of 7950x and a 4090? If it is not going to be able to cool these without going full custom water-cooling, then it makes no sense to spend even more time and money on another redesign.
Doesn't look or sound like it. All the extra space is for greater GPU compatibility. If you look at the renders, the Motherboard IO hasn't moved at all.
Dan, I have been vocal for a while on increasing the case size to 4 slot gpus. Not that I want a 450W monster to deal with but you must consider the market share. If you keep it as is you will lose out on a lot of potential customers simply for the sake of design. That’s not good business for you. I think the C4 looks absolutely amazing but the gpu list you provided is fairly limited. As crazy expensive as the gpus are going to be priced even your customers who are okay purchasing a premium case product may have to cut corners and settle for the best priced gpu they can buy, which may not fit in the C4.
We just want the case, there’s no point in doing this if it can’t properly cool a 4090 + 7950x. If you choose to release this case in the bigger version, there will be benchmarks done. If people see that these temperature benchmarks are not ideal, then they’ll overlook this case either way. Unless there’s a way you increase the overall cooling capability, there is absolutely no point in making us wait 3 more months.
Take the time to make the case bigger. Every case I’ve purchased has been rendered obsolete by expanding GPU sizes. As a point of reference, a decade ago an EVGA GTX 680 was two slots wide and 10” (250 mm) long. Those days are not coming back. Best to plan for the future.
One person’s humble suggestion: consider going even slightly larger still. Taller proportions do improve the case’s looks, and help it appear visually slimmer/smaller IMO. Knowing that, would expanding the height by 15 or 16 mm help avoid the clips and allow for even longer 3.75-slot cards and even further improve compatibility / future-proof the case?
And remember, this is only the first salvo of 40-series cards. With Ampere, when the Ti-class cards arrived mid-cycle many of the cards grew larger and jumped up a size class, e.g. 3080Tis appeared with coolers and dimensions like a 3090, 3070Tis with dimensions like 3080s, etc.
NB: For your ‘New Compatible’ list it looks like the INNO3D RTX 4090 iChill X3 (3.25Sx336x146) also meets the criteria to fit.
One person’s humble suggestion: consider going even slightly larger still. Taller proportions do improve the case’s looks, and help it appear visually slimmer/smaller IMO. Knowing that, would expanding the height by 15 or 16 mm help avoid the clips and allow for even longer 3.75-slot cards and even further improve compatibility / future-proof the case?
And remember, this is only the first salvo of 40-series cards. With Ampere, when the Ti-class cards arrived mid-cycle many of the cards grew larger and jumped up a size class, e.g. 3080Tis appeared with coolers and dimensions like a 3090, 3070Tis with dimensions like 3080s, etc.
NB: For your ‘New Compatible’ list it looks like the INNO3D RTX 4090 iChill X3 (3.25Sx336x146) also meets the criteria to fit.
