If I had to pick a dimension to increase, it would have to be height (I think anything under 30cm is still pretty small), as that doesn't increase the footprint of the case.
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Because I don't think I will get the rendering ready today. Here is the layout of my mATX idea. Keep in mind it is just an idea:
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I'm just confused on how this has to do with the C4? Are you going to turn the C4 into a mATX case. If so I'm completely heartbroken cause I feel like you're trying way to hard to have something work for everyone, and it is actually hurting the product. I felt like the C4-SFX was supposed to be a more universal case than the A4. As someone who is new to sff the A4 felt like it was a little too small for me, and a lot of sacrificing had to be made especially those who didn't want to delid. @dondanBecause I don't think I will get the rendering ready today. Here is the layout of my mATX idea:
I really hope not. I absolutely love the C4-SFX design. The M1 didn't grab me like the C4 did.
@dondan I have been following this thread since the start, happily just lurking and watching the progress... and I just finally made an account to beg you to please continue with your original vision for the C4. I think all of the work you have put in is top notch, and you are so close to having another fantastic case entering into your lineup that MANY people are excited for... myself included!
Don't let the haters get you down about the liters nonsense. You gave a perfect example about seeing a side by side comparison of the A4 and the S4 Mini... the S4 Mini looks huge in comparison, and we all know it's a feat of engineering with how everything fits inside it. The liters don't really matter in the long run.
Also, if YOU like the uni-body design for the C4, and that will make you happy to make that switch, then go for it! This is YOUR project, and I can tell you that as sexy as I think the current rendering is, and how badly I want that sitting on my desk... I can also say that I thought your rendering several pages back with the A4 look was fantastic, and true to YOUR brand. For the record, if I would've had an account to vote, I would've put my vote toward it! You also say that it's cheaper to manufacture, and has less chances of defects in the process? That's great! I'm ready to shell out some serious dough for this case, but if the price goes down, I can't imagine too many people griping about that.
Before this becomes a novel, please note that this whole forum is behind you and your choices... even the haters I mentioned earlier. Whether or not people agree or disagree with your choices doesn't change that we support what you are doing, and appreciate all of your efforts. Save the MATX for the next project we all will get behind you on, but please don't drop the original concept.
Thanks again for everything you do, dude. I wish you luck in the upcoming decision making.
Don't let the haters get you down about the liters nonsense. You gave a perfect example about seeing a side by side comparison of the A4 and the S4 Mini... the S4 Mini looks huge in comparison, and we all know it's a feat of engineering with how everything fits inside it. The liters don't really matter in the long run.
Also, if YOU like the uni-body design for the C4, and that will make you happy to make that switch, then go for it! This is YOUR project, and I can tell you that as sexy as I think the current rendering is, and how badly I want that sitting on my desk... I can also say that I thought your rendering several pages back with the A4 look was fantastic, and true to YOUR brand. For the record, if I would've had an account to vote, I would've put my vote toward it! You also say that it's cheaper to manufacture, and has less chances of defects in the process? That's great! I'm ready to shell out some serious dough for this case, but if the price goes down, I can't imagine too many people griping about that.
Before this becomes a novel, please note that this whole forum is behind you and your choices... even the haters I mentioned earlier. Whether or not people agree or disagree with your choices doesn't change that we support what you are doing, and appreciate all of your efforts. Save the MATX for the next project we all will get behind you on, but please don't drop the original concept.
Thanks again for everything you do, dude. I wish you luck in the upcoming decision making.
can we at least get like a limited edition run of the C4-SFX with the increased size? like I was all in on the case and the path it was taking
I'm not too interested in SLI personally, but an matx version sounds interesting. However I'm really only interested in the itx smaller version.
Side note: I found a 120 aio that is only 145 mm long, it's the cooler master masterliquid pro 120. So put that on your cpu and another aio <158mm compatible with the kraken g12 on your gpu. This is what I will most likely do and it fits in the current design.
Side note: I found a 120 aio that is only 145 mm long, it's the cooler master masterliquid pro 120. So put that on your cpu and another aio <158mm compatible with the kraken g12 on your gpu. This is what I will most likely do and it fits in the current design.
How will you fit a 130mm tall cooler in a 150mm wide case? The motherboard stack-up height (10mm standoffs + 2mm board + 8mm socket) is 20mm, so add side panels (2x 1.5-2mm), and you're looking at 150-23 = 127mm max cooler height, at best.
150mm is also only going to allow for reference height GPUs, which is a significant limitation with so many AIB GPUs being taller designs these days.
2x 1.4mm side panel + 7mm stand off + 1.4mm mb-tray with cutout + 8mm socket height + 1.5 board height = 20.7mm
So the max heatsink height is 129.3mm.
I made i quick research for 1080ti cards that will fit for SLI:
- Nvidia Founders Edition
- EVGA SC2 ( Dual Fan )
- KFA2 EXOC ( Dual Fan)
- Gigabyte Gaming OC Black (Triple Fan)
- Inno3D Twin X2 ( Dual Fan)
So the max heatsink height is 129.3mm.
I made i quick research for 1080ti cards that will fit for SLI:
- Nvidia Founders Edition
- EVGA SC2 ( Dual Fan )
- KFA2 EXOC ( Dual Fan)
- Gigabyte Gaming OC Black (Triple Fan)
- Inno3D Twin X2 ( Dual Fan)
What just happened, did the current design just get scrapped? If it gets any larger, then its getting to ncase m1 territory, which at that point would be pointless, unless everyone just wants a shiny new trendy expensive case.
I'm down for an sff matx case, but damn thats a lot of prototyping money out the window and time spent.
I'm down for an sff matx case, but damn thats a lot of prototyping money out the window and time spent.
If you go less than about 10mm between the back of the motherboard and the exterior panel the PCI card brackets interfere with the panel:
SLI was a failure. I'd love to know the actually statistics for how many people actually run SLI especially on something like steam. The C4-SFX was looking fantastic please don't change it out for a mATX case. I have been planning a build with the C4 for months now. I think it is the best looking 10L case that I've seen. It is a great mix of size and compatibility.
This. For most people even with large budgets it's better to go with 1 expensive card vs 2 medium/low cards in the long run.
I don't think mATX has a place in sff cases (<20L). Honestly the c4 design was looking sooo good. Even with the unibody design, which I personally like although I know many people do not, it's still looking like a fantastic case. I don't think I would buy it if it's mATX.
If the goal is to make a very small mATX that can support SLI it becomes wasted space if the user can't afford 2 high end cards. And imo the a4 is not very appealing compared to the c4, which I feel has a super good balance of size vs compatibility and minimal wasted space.
I'd be lying if I said I am happy with the direction of the new case. It just seems too similar to some of the other micro-ATX cases that exist, and I don't think it would even be as good with cooling (Clarification: as good as the original C4 concept). With the original C4, you have a very fast replacement rate of the air inside the case, which I don't see that happening with the new version with the GPU being horizontal and being 'unibody'. The horizontal card prevents bottom to top airflow, and the unibody prevents front to back, for the most part. The motherboard prevents side to side. This would cause stagnant pockets of circulated air. Additionally, it looks like it would only support 1x 240mm rad, if that, with worse cooling for the GPUs.
In fact, now that I think of it, this is effectively a unibody Cerberus case.
https://unlocked.newegg.com/kimera-cerberus-review-smallest-sli-vr-ready-case-in-the-world
https://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/Meet-Cerberus-Crowdfunded-Micro-ATX-Case-Made-USA
On the flip side, the original C4 proposed something where nothing else exists in the capacity that the C4 would. A (potentially) sub 10L non-hatted case that has tempered glass and supports full-sized graphics cards in an asthetically pleasing way.
If I'm stepping out of bounds saying this, please let me know.
Additionally, if I am incorrect in anything I have said, please correct me. I haven't run any sims on either yet, so I don't have anything definitive aside from my uni courses and previous experience to work with.
In fact, now that I think of it, this is effectively a unibody Cerberus case.
https://unlocked.newegg.com/kimera-cerberus-review-smallest-sli-vr-ready-case-in-the-world
https://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/Meet-Cerberus-Crowdfunded-Micro-ATX-Case-Made-USA
On the flip side, the original C4 proposed something where nothing else exists in the capacity that the C4 would. A (potentially) sub 10L non-hatted case that has tempered glass and supports full-sized graphics cards in an asthetically pleasing way.
If I'm stepping out of bounds saying this, please let me know.
Additionally, if I am incorrect in anything I have said, please correct me. I haven't run any sims on either yet, so I don't have anything definitive aside from my uni courses and previous experience to work with.
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Guys, the mATX idea is just an idea. I never said i will replace this idea with the C4 idea. Everything that I write in blue text is real updates. I just throwing in idears.
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