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CPU [13/12/2024]ASRock DeskMini X600 BIOS "4.04" & "4.06" & "4.08" - with new AMD AGESA ComboAM5Pi v."1.2.0.2a" & DDR5 SO-DIMM Voltage Settings available

Holmes

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Currently runnig that version. Memory voltages are there now. But that "performance" option is missing. 4.03 bios that single option made huge difference. My memory is now 7000"mhz" with 1.40 volts. Before 6800"mhz" with 1.35v was max. That 3dmark score is still 30% slower. Something is not right with that new bios. Or that "performance" option is some real God Tier option?
 

woofaki

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4.03 had that "performance mode" or something like that. That option had huge impact if i remember correctly. Currently running 180W PSU. If that mode was on with original 120W psu it had some problems, hard shutdown etc.
What is the PSU that you are using?And just be enabling performance you are getting a boost?
 

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Currently runnig that version. Memory voltages are there now. But that "performance" option is missing. 4.03 bios that single option made huge difference. My memory is now 7000"mhz" with 1.40 volts. Before 6800"mhz" with 1.35v was max. That 3dmark score is still 30% slower. Something is not right with that new bios. Or that "performance" option is some real God Tier option?
For the moment, I have not yet had time to test it, but from what I know two people I know have tested it and have no problems and it even solved some stability problems they had with RAM overclocking compared to versions "'4.03.MEM01", "4.04" and "4.06", for the moment you are the first to come and complain and to encounter performance problems, maybe you should review all your BIOS settings one by one and by doing a "CLEAR CMOS" beforehand for safety...
 

Holmes

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What is the PSU that you are using?And just be enabling performance you are getting a boost?
4.03 vs 4.08. there is massive performance drop...
Result

That link to 3dmark will show CPU and GPU both are running higher clock speeds. There is 30% performance drop.
 

woofaki

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Currently runnig that version. Memory voltages are there now. But that "performance" option is missing. 4.03 bios that single option made huge difference. My memory is now 7000"mhz" with 1.40 volts. Before 6800"mhz" with 1.35v was max. That 3dmark score is still 30% slower. Something is not right with that new bios. Or that "performance" option is some real God Tier option?

I just checked and you are right,i remember they had a 180w option also along with the performance tab.I wonder if they moved it somewhere else...I would not like to lose a feature thats for sure.

PS:From your link the higher clock speed has the lower performance?That's odd....
 
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Holmes

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I just checked and you are right,i remember they had a 180w option also along with the performance tab.I wonder if they moved it somewhere else...I would not like to lose a feature thats for sure.
I tried to find that. 4.03 that was enable by default. Probably cause some issues for those who had stock PSU. I got currently have Innergie 180W PSU. If someone here have any connection to ASRock team. That option should come back.
 
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I just checked and you are right,i remember they had a 180w option also along with the performance tab.I wonder if they moved it somewhere else...I would not like to lose a feature thats for sure.

PS:From your link the higher clock speed has the lower performance?That's odd....
From what I remember on the DeskMini "X300", some options and features were intentionally "hidden" by ASRock, but could be made visible again by doing the "Ctrl+Q" key combination in the "OC Tweaker" or "Advanced" tab, so try it and see... I make no promises😅
 
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Holmes

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From what I remember on the DeskMini "X300", some options and features were intentionally "hidden" by ASRock, but could be made visible again by doing the "Ctrl+Q" key combination in the "OC Tweaker" or "Advanced" tab, so try it and see... I make no promises😅
No secret menu this time. When vodka is giving me some peace (tomorrow) i will put that 4.03 back and try 4.03 vs 4.08 both "stock only XPM". This is driving me crazy. It is not possible that basic bios update will drop 3dmark score 30%. Hardware is same.
 
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Holmes

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Well... Vodka was stronger. Here i have some numbers now:
-Deskmini X600 (in a custom case)
-Ryzen 8700G with Noctua NH-L9X65 Heatsink + Noctua NF-A12X25 fan.
-Kingston Fury Impact SO-DIMM DDR5 @6400MT/S
-1TB Samsung 980PRO SSD

Bios: 4.03-MEM1 (XMP + Performance mode enabled):
-3dMark TimeSpy: 3554pts

Bios: 4.08 official (7000mt/s + subtimings + GPUOC@3100mhz) No Performace option in a bios!!
-3dMark TimeSpy: 3152pts

Link to that comparison: Result

That Performance Option description says you need 180W PSU. Both thest were run on Innergie 180W PSU.

That Performance Option Enable/Disable has some serious impact on performance.
Next i will try to OC that 4.03-MEM1 bios and see what it can do. 4.08 is no go...
 

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Well... Vodka was stronger. Here i have some numbers now:
-Deskmini X600 (in a custom case)
-Ryzen 8700G with Noctua NH-L9X65 Heatsink + Noctua NF-A12X25 fan.
-Kingston Fury Impact SO-DIMM DDR5 @6400MT/S
-1TB Samsung 980PRO SSD

Bios: 4.03-MEM1 (XMP + Performance mode enabled):
-3dMark TimeSpy: 3554pts

Bios: 4.08 official (7000mt/s + subtimings + GPUOC@3100mhz) No Performace option in a bios!!
-3dMark TimeSpy: 3152pts

Link to that comparison: Result

That Performance Option description says you need 180W PSU. Both thest were run on Innergie 180W PSU.

That Performance Option Enable/Disable has some serious impact on performance.
Try with "4.04" and/or "4.06", to see if there is a difference, this would allow to discriminate if the problem is inherent to "4.08" or to all BIOS having received the AGESA 1.2.0.2a update (4.04, 4.06 and 4.08). But personally I think rather that it comes from "4.08".
 

Holmes

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Try with "4.04" and/or "4.06", to see if there is a difference, this would allow to discriminate if the problem is inherent to "4.08" or to all BIOS having received the AGESA 1.2.0.2a update (4.04, 4.06 and 4.08). But personally I think rather that it comes from "4.08".
If the bios have that Performance Mode that will tell you must have 180W PSU that is the answer. What that mode is really enabling ASRock will know that.
 

nirvana

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If the bios have that Performance Mode that will tell you must have 180W PSU that is the answer. What that mode is really enabling ASRock will know that.
AFAIK the performance 180W option was just increasing some current limits. You can achieve the same by increasing them manually under Advanced - AMD overclocking - PBO menu (can't remember exactly what was increased, but I think it was TDC to 120A which is sustained current limit; I don't know if it was also increasing PPT which is overall limit in watts).

I think CPU TDC also affects the iGPU current limit, which could explain why you experienced lower performance.

Also, the iGPU is very sensitive to memory performance, so I would make sure timings between your new 7000 MT/s and your old 6800 MT/s are not wildly different
 
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4.03 vs 4.08. there is massive performance drop...
Result

That link to 3dmark will show CPU and GPU both are running higher clock speeds. There is 30% performance drop.
I just noticed that your new result is running 2,832 MHz average memory frequency (which translates to 5664 MT/s on average). That explains the lower performance.

The CPU is constantly balancing the frequencies based on the power budget available. It is possible that running the iGPU at 3100 Mhz is eating power budged and not letting the memory clock to go higher. Try with 2900MHz max iGPU frequency as you had in the old run or increase the power limit to have enough power for the memory speed.

Just to clarify, the actual power consumed by the memory sticks is not part of the CPU power budget, but the CPU needs to increase the memory controller's frequency to increase the memory clock and this is part of the CPU and consumes power out of the CPU power budget, and since the memory controller's voltage is VSOC, any increase in VSOC results in more power consumed by the memory controller and less power available for the CPU cores and iGPU. Some people mentioned differences in VSOC between 4.03 and 4.08
 
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To tell you the truth i would prefer not to touch voltages,maybe i will try something like 1.25 and maybe close to 1.3 max...I don't feel comfortable going past 1.3
This is my bench with 6400 as of yet...So far i working with the, like 2 whole days to try and make them better lol

Memory VDD (main memory voltage) mainly affect primary timings, and they are not very important in DDR5 anyway (DDR5 strong point is increased amount of bank groups vs DDR4), so you can run low memory voltage at expense of loose primary timings without much performance hit. This also helps with memory temps which could be a problem in the Deskmini.

The problem comes at high memory speeds, where arbitrary limits and requirements arise, like having to maintain a specific voltage delta between MEM VDD and MEM VDDQ (the I/O part of the memory that affects the signaling between the memory and the CPU). The more you push the memory, the less freedom you have with voltages, and finding a combination that works may be challenging. In my case, 7800-8000 is pretty much the limit for dual rank memory.

That being said, Hynix A-die seems to be absolutely fine running high voltages (that's why there are XMP profiles with 1.45V or even more), but in the Deskmini temps are the limiting factor
 
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To tell you the truth i would prefer not to touch voltages,maybe i will try something like 1.25 and maybe close to 1.3 max...I don't feel comfortable going past 1.3
This is my bench with 6400 as of yet...So far i working with the, like 2 whole days to try and make them better lol

By the way, if you're going to run 2:1 mode, you should be able to run VSOC at much lower voltages, specially at that frequency. I'd give 1.05v a try and see if our PSU and VRM can handle it, that way you have more power headroom and less idle consumption.

Edit: I would also try to run in 1:1 mode (you probably need to lower to 6200 keeping 1.2v SOC) with 3:2 UCLK:FCLK and see how that affects performance using some benchmark (like FFXIV dawntrail max profile or any from 3DMark), I wouldn't be surprised if you gained performance that way.
 
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By the way, if you're going to run 2:1 mode, you should be able to run VSOC at much lower voltages, specially at that frequency. I'd give 1.05v a try and see if our PSU and VRM can handle it, that way you have more power headroom and less idle consumption.

Edit: I would also try to run in 1:1 mode (you probably need to lower to 6200 keeping 1.2v SOC) with 3:2 UCLK:FCLK and see how that affects performance using some benchmark (like FFXIV dawntrail max profile or any from 3DMark), I wouldn't be surprised if you gained performance that way.
I managed to gain some performance with tight timings and increased Fclk not 1:1 but i pushed it as much as i could without producing errors.
Should i change the whole lot to 1.1 or less or just VSOC?

PS:I do run with a -40mv undervolt set by the bios.And i have the IGPU oce'd to 3100.I also tightened the timings a bit more and the BW did go just a few points up.I'm doing that for 3 days now lol I don't think i can do much more without touching the voltages.So i will settle with this at least for now.

PS2:My disappointment tho is that even with IGPU/CPU and Mem OC. In AC syndicate the gain is only 6fps from the aggressive 5600 profile...without any CPU/IGPU oc.

 
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I managed to gain some performance with tight timings and increased Fclk not 1:1 but i pushed it as much as i could without producing errors.
Should i change the whole lot to 1.1 or less or just VSOC?

PS:I do run with a -40mv undervolt set by the bios.And i have the IGPU oce'd to 3100.I also tightened the timings a bit more and the BW did go just a few points up.I'm doing that for 3 days now lol I don't think i can do much more without touching the voltages.So i will settle with this at least for now.

PS2:My disappointment tho is that even with IGPU/CPU and Mem OC. In AC syndicate the gain is only 6fps from the aggressive 5600 profile...without any CPU/IGPU oc.

Just SOC voltage. I wouldn't touch any of the other voltages if they're stable since you won't save much power nor gain performance by adjusting them.

I agree 6 fps is not much, but in some cases those extra fps is the difference between a smooth experience and something not as smooth, plus you're also helping with minimum fps that improves stutters.

By the way, increasing FCLK won't produce errors if it is just somewhat unstable, and it is pretty hard to detect and correct instabilities in the infinity fabric. For this reason, lowering FCLK sometimes improves performance, so just check what works best for you
 
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