"SFF" Keyboards

What's the smallest you'd go with a keyboard?

  • 100%

    Votes: 18 8.1%
  • 80%

    Votes: 24 10.8%
  • 75%

    Votes: 42 18.8%
  • 60%

    Votes: 102 45.7%
  • 40%

    Votes: 17 7.6%
  • Electrodes implanted into brain, effectively 0%

    Votes: 14 6.3%
  • Something else

    Votes: 6 2.7%

  • Total voters
    223

ababa

Average Stuffer
Oct 29, 2019
60
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Hey guys, what do you think about IKBC C87, one of cheapest TKL with MX Cherry Silent
PBT, no LEDs (thanks god yes!), sleek, simple
Only cons i ve seen its stab noises, especially from spacebar
Does it affect all units?
Any other alternatives (TKL, mx switch silent)?
I wanted FC750R at first but i couldn't find it in EUR ;(
(no ISO, i am ansi boi lol)
Thanks
 

kroken

Trash Compacter
Dec 20, 2019
41
7
Looking for a slim keyboard 60% for traveling, any recommendations other than the X-1?
 

GuilleAcoustic

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A bit OT, but isn't having your monitor that close to the desk terrible for your neck and shoulders?
It's not OT and NO it ain't terrible. My wife's a labour nurse and she enforced taught me how to set my workspace up. Your eyes MUST be at the same height as or above the top of your screen and the screen should be slightly tilted.

 
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Valantar

SFF Guru
Jan 20, 2018
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It's not OT and NO it ain't terrible. My wife's a labour nurse and she enforced taught me how to set my workspace up. Your eyes MUST be at the same height as or above the top of your screen and the screen should be slightly tilted.

That is exactly what I based my question on - I've had quite a lot of neck and shoulder issues, so I'm well versed in desk ergonomics. Unless that monitor is very tall (looks like it's around 27-30", or am I underestimating that?) or you have extremely short upper arms, that looks way too close to the desk for me. You're right that the eyes should be in line with or slightly above the top of the monitor, but that looks way too far above the top for me, at least for keeping the desired 90-degree elbow angle. Also, I take it you pushed your mouse and keyboard closer to the monitor for that photo? Otherwise there's no way you're sitting an arm's length away from the monitor with 90-degree elbows while typing.

Edit: suddenly realized I wasn't replying to the same person I first did, and now this post looks rather confusing. Oh well :p
 
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ignsvn

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It's not OT and NO it ain't terrible. My wife's a labour nurse and she enforced taught me how to set my workspace up. Your eyes MUST be at the same height as or above the top of your screen and the screen should be slightly tilted.

I just want to add that, no matter the design of your workspace, don't forget to stand up & stretch from time to time :)
 
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GuilleAcoustic

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That is exactly what I based my question on - I've had quite a lot of neck and shoulder issues, so I'm well versed in desk ergonomics. Unless that monitor is very tall (looks like it's around 27-30", or am I underestimating that?) or you have extremely short upper arms, that looks way too close to the desk for me. You're right that the eyes should be in line with or slightly above the top of the monitor, but that looks way too far above the top for me, at least for keeping the desired 90-degree elbow angle. Also, I take it you pushed your mouse and keyboard closer to the monitor for that photo? Otherwise there's no way you're sitting an arm's length away from the monitor with 90-degree elbows while typing.
NFI, I have a similar looking screen that is 25" (Asus PB258Q) but my keyboard and trackball are close to the desk edge to prevent disaster. I suffer from a beginning of CTS in both hands and I try to not make it worse. I also suffer from a synovial cyst caused by very bad ergonomics, hours in traffic jams and repetitive movements at my previous job. It's pressing against 2 of my left hand finger extensors and makes stuff like holding a phone a nightmare (CTS doesn't help there either).

Ergonomics is not something to take lightly.
 
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admirerden

Efficiency Noob
Apr 4, 2019
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A bit OT, but isn't having your monitor that close to the desk terrible for your neck and shoulders?
This is exactly the most comfortable position for me. My neck and shoulders are resting in that position. (I also have a very low-sitted chair, btw.)
 

Valantar

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Jan 20, 2018
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This is exactly the most comfortable position for me. My neck and shoulders are resting in that position. (I also have a very low-sitted chair, btw.)
That makes it sound like your arms are on a less than ideal position - as the illustration above shows, your shoulders should be in anneutral position with your elbows at 90° angles, otherwise you could easily start experiencing neck and shoulder pain. Resting your arms too high forces your elbows out and your shoulders up, which is not good for posture, joints or tendons. Wide elbows also increase twisting strain on the wrists. I get that it might feel comfortable today, but it's not the best for your body long-term.