GPU SFF 4070 Models

[scatterforce]

The smallest GPU I've seen so far is the Zotac Twin Edge. It's every so slightly wider than 2 slots, is a bit taller than the IO brackets, and appears to be around 230mm in length.

ZOTAC RTX 4070 Twin Edge Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2475 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Next is MSI Ventus 2X. It is as wide as 2 slots, taller than the Zotac, and appears to be about 240mm in length.

MSI RTX 4070 VENTUS 2X OC Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2505 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Last, we have PNY Verto Dual Fan. 2 slots wide, only as tall as the IO bracket, and exactly 250mm long.

PNY RTX 4070 VERTO Dual Fan Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2475 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Lets keep updating this thread with new intel as it comes. At present, the 4070 is the most likely update path for many out there.

 

[scatterforce]

Some more that I didn't catch are here.

 

[chinevo]

PCB of Palit 4070 Dual looks promising. Width is around 170mm.

 

[hyperborea]

Thanks for the post! Really hoping for one that's <200mm length to fit my NFC S4C case.

 

[Skripka]

PCB of Palit 4070 Dual looks promising. Width is around 170mm.

Per Der Bauer the 4070 PCBs are basically identical from the FE and the few AIB cards he was sampled. The only change was whether certain pads/slots were populated. The only change is how gigantic the cooler attached to it is.

 

[Runamok81]

Relevant.

 

[tinyitx]

I do not see this Inno3D's 4070 Twin x2 OC in the first two posts.
It is 250 x 118 x 42 mm and comes in both white or black.

 

[hrh_ginsterbusch]

I do not see this Inno3D's 4070 Twin x2 OC in the first two posts.
It is 250 x 118 x 42 mm and comes in both white or black.

Yes! Was already wondering why nobody mentioned it yet. Its the one I've been pondering to get (in black).

Originally planned to go for AMD, because the Linux support is much better, but on the other hand, all the effort involved to get it to behave ... ugh.

cu, w0lf.

 

[AMv8-1day]

I really, REALLY want to see one of these squeezed into a Densium 4, but I will settle for a Densium 4+ if we can retain dual fans.

 

[D90]

This will prbs sound crazy but does anyone think the 4070 FE's length can be reduced down to 215MM with a deshroud? I really want to build a new PC in my Skyreach S4. I'd be willing to try this is possible but in looking at Gamers Nexus's tear down the heatsink appears to be almost the same length as the shroud.

 

[scatterforce]

This will prbs sound crazy but does anyone think the 4070 FE's length can be reduced down to 215MM with a deshroud? I really want to build a new PC in my Skyreach S4. I'd be willing to try this is possible but in looking at Gamers Nexus's tear down the heatsink appears to be almost the same length as the shroud.

No. The FE shroud is essential for the performance of the heatsink. That, and the heat pipes appear too long for that mod. The Zotac model at 225mm in length might benefit from a de-shroud. It appears a few mm's longer than the fin array, but I don't think you'll get it under 215mm.

 

[D90]

No. The FE shroud is essential for the performance of the heatsink. That, and the heat pipes appear too long for that mod. The Zotac model at 225mm in length might benefit from a de-shroud. It appears a few mm's longer than the fin array, but I don't think you'll get it under 215mm.

Crap. The FE is absolutely perfect for the S4 layout. Oh well wishful thinking.

 

[scatterforce]

Finally, a site showing a teardown of the Zotac 4070.

A fully populated PCB with cooling on all relevant parts.... it looks like a great 4070 that can easily be shaved down for those adventurous.

 

[yeshyyyk]

They're all too big,

I made a thread about TDP per liter here, even the Twin Edge is 10-20% worse/bigger than it should be (There are no unmodded ~180mm card, even if 3 slot)

 

[Skripka]

They're all too big,

I made a thread about TDP per liter here, even the Twin Edge is 10-20% worse/bigger than it should be (There are no unmodded ~180mm card, even if 3 slot)

Not surprised. The smallest 2070 was 195mm, and that was a 175W TGP card for stock. The FE 4070 is 210W

 

[yeshyyyk]

Not surprised. The smallest 2070 was 195mm, and that was a 175W TGP card for stock. The FE 4070 is 210W

It doesn't need to be as small, if it's 210W then it can be around a liter (or like 210/175 = 1.2x bigger).

Comparing to like 4-5yr old cards by the way, we should get cooling improvements as well.

There was the 1080Ti Mini and the other cards listed in there

 

[scatterforce]

Older cards were better in terms of the efficiency curve. That's why they had so much overclock potential. Now, you get very little when you push a card. They automatically increase clocks as long as there's voltage and low temps.

Cooling modern cards simply takes more. Comparing wattages between a 1080ti and a 4070 is apples to oranges. Still, I greatly appreciate Zotac for continuing the SFF tradition. I don't think we will get a smaller card without mods.

 

[k0n]

Not surprised. The smallest 2070 was 195mm, and that was a 175W TGP card for stock. The FE 4070 is 210W

There was a 174mm MSI Aero ITX and a 170mm model from Gigabyte. It's not so much that it is not possible, but a small capable heatsink is more difficult/expensive while most would view it as inferior.

My rare 6600XT Challenger ITX (179mm) isn't even that dense but still better than a 193mm non XT Pulse. The Pulse is longer and dual fan yet it needed more RPM with the same core powerdraw for the same temperature... turns out a big plastic shroud and two fans that both blow most air past the heatsink isn't the best design.

The R9 Nano was a little over 600g @ 150mm while a same sized 6500XT is a little over 300g. This year the Nano turns 8 (28nm 2015) and the only widely available replacement that AMD can offer below 180mm would be a 6500XT... and 180mm is already 30mm longer than the Nano! Ridiculous... (6500XT is not even an upgrade and most models are >180mm)!

 

[SFFMunkee]

There was a 174mm MSI Aero ITX and a 170mm model from Gigabyte. It's not so much that it is not possible, but a small capable heatsink is more difficult/expensive while most would view it as inferior.

My rare 6600XT Challenger ITX (179mm) isn't even that dense but still better than a 193mm non XT Pulse. The Pulse is longer and dual fan yet it needed more RPM with the same core powerdraw for the same temperature... turns out a big plastic shroud and two fans that both blow most air past the heatsink isn't the best design.

The R9 Nano was a little over 600g @ 150mm while a same sized 6500XT is a little over 300g. This year the Nano turns 8 (28nm 2015) and the only widely available replacement that AMD can offer below 180mm would be a 6500XT... and 180mm is already 30mm longer than the Nano! Ridiculous... (6500XT is not even an upgrade and most models are >180mm)!

[off topic] Yep this is seriously frustrating, can't get any shorty AMD cards! Especially given how iconic the R9 Nano was for SFF enthusiasts!
I had long been hopeful that we might see a single-fan 6700XT or 6800 model, but the closest we got was the 179mm 6600XT Challenger ITX (which I have, and love).

[back to topic] The reference PCBs for nVidia cards tend to be relatively short, so with any luck we'll see a 4070 Aero ITX or StormX. Although I wouldn't be holding my breath, given that with RTX3000 the fastest GPUs with 'ITX-length' coolers were 3060 models. I guess maybe we'll all have to follow in @petricor's footsteps and watercool instead?

 

[Snerual]

I feel like our only hope nowadays is that someone on AliExpress or TaoBao steps up and aftermarket compact coolers (with proper heat pipes) for reference PCB cards becomes a thing... when you think about it there's usually like 3 or 4 NVidia cards that share the exact same mounting pattern for the reference PCB so 1 cooler should be able to be compatible with all of those. (meaning there would be enough potential market to make it worthwhile)

Overall it is such a shame though... with GTX 10 series we were at a point where everything upto and including the 1080 was available in true ITX format, and for the 1080Ti you could get that compact dual fan Zotac model. Also around that time motherboards started having everything onboard, so there were almost no more use cases for PCIe cards outside of GPUs.

For a second I thought ITX and sub 20l cases were going to become standard, but alas... vendors quickly noticed all of that empty space in ATX cases and rather than miniaturizing the footprint they decided to push the narrative that everyone needed triple slot coolers on their 150W TGP cards and a Core i5 needs a 360mm AIO...

Nowadays when I see a 50l case with a 3060 and an i5 in it, it reminds me of those lifted full-size pickups that people use to bring their kids to soccer practice...