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Production Lazer3D LZ7 - Quiet Gaming Cube PC Case

K888D

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Couldn't one drill four holes into the HDD mounting panel to fit one 2.5" drive horizontally? Or would that still interfere with the PSU?

Please find below the proposed modified HDD mounting panel design:


It includes the extra 4 holes for mounting a single 2.5" drive horizontally, this will give increased cable routing space for mounting an SFX-L power supply. The design is a bit busy, so I will likely add some extra info to the manual to explain the HDD mounting options.

Also included in the modified design are cutouts to allow extra space for thick Sata Power connectors, this modification was suggested by @Mango in his LZ7 build log where he ran into a problem trying to fit a daisy chain sata power connector.

@zhl146 I noticed that your avatar is a photo of the LZ7, it would be great to hear about your build and see some more pictures if you have them?
 

jeshikat

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Cerberus has cutouts in the motherboard tray for the same reason and I can confirm that it works excellently:

 
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zhl146

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Please find below the proposed modified HDD mounting panel design:


It includes the extra 4 holes for mounting a single 2.5" drive horizontally, this will give increased cable routing space for mounting an SFX-L power supply. The design is a bit busy, so I will likely add some extra info to the manual to explain the HDD mounting options.

Also included in the modified design are cutouts to allow extra space for thick Sata Power connectors, this modification was suggested by @Mango in his LZ7 build log where he ran into a problem trying to fit a daisy chain sata power connector.

@zhl146 I noticed that your avatar is a photo of the LZ7, it would be great to hear about your build and see some more pictures if you have them?
I have a few of when I was building it, but not as many as I would have liked. I was impatient to get the thing together lol. I was going to put together a build log but I've been lazy.

I'm currently in the middle of making custom length cables. I've got the sata and Pcie done, but ran out of pins halfway through my 24 pin. The custom cables make a huge difference.
 
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K888D

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UPDATE: The Black cases have sold out, only WHITE cases with vandal cutout panels remaining.

I have some left over panels from the First Edition production run, there is enough to make 2 Black and 4 White cases. But only in certain configurations, for example the ‘Open’ GPU (dust filter) panels have sold out, so only slotted GPU panels are available as can be seen below:


If you would like to order one of these cases please send me a PM with your preferred configuration/colours (you can see what the colour combos look like here: BLACK or WHITE), along with the country you live in (for calculating shipping) and I will let you know the price. This is strictly on a first come first serve basis, prices will be in line with the First Edition run.

Lead time to ship will be around 4 weeks from placing order, this is because the 3D printed parts will be custom made to each order but it means you can have any colour, I also need to get more serial number plaques laser cut as I only had 20 of these made originally.

Some specifics on the available configurations:
  • 2 Full IO panels and 4 Vandal Switch panels are available
  • Only slotted GPU panels are available
  • Any colour is available for the corner pieces
  • No Dust filters are available, only (black) fan guards
  • Case will be called LZ7 v1.0 (not First Edition)


I am also selling the original polished Black v0.2 prototype case for £50 + shipping. This is sold in a used condition. EDIT: This case is SOLD


The matte White and Orange Case used for the LZ7 First Edition photography is also available for £70 + shipping. Again this is sold in a used condition. EDIT: This case is SOLD



Thanks for reading!
 
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K888D

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@Theflathead Welcome to the Forum!

I meant to post this a while ago but never got round to it, its not really relevant to this thread other than I used the LZ7 as the case to test in:

Over the festive break I carried out an experiment to find out if you could play modern games such as Battlefield 1 and Fallout 4 using low performance CPU's paired with a good dedicated GPU. The overall purpose was to see whether you could build a really low budget gaming PC to rival a games console in terms of cost and graphics performance if you don't mind using second hand (used) parts.

The CPUs tested were a 25W TDP AMD Athlon 5350 and an Intel Core i3-3240, for the GPU a GTX 960 was used. With these components and the help of EBay you could technically build a gaming PC for under £250. You can read all about it HERE.

TL;DR
The Athlon 5350 is capable of playing Fallout 4 in 1080p at around 35 - 40 FPS with High settings. For Battlefield 1 the 5350 requires the settings turned down low to achieve 30+ FPS at 1080p in the single player campaign, but for multiplayer it was unplayable with a choppy framerate of around 15 FPS using the same low settings.

Switching to the Intel Core i3-3240 improved things dramatically, delivering 60+ FPS in Fallout 4 on Ultra settings, and 40+ FPS in Battlefield 1 multiplayer on Ultra settings. Not bad considering the CPU was released in 2012.

 

tsuko

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@K888D Signed up just to vote for all-matte versions of the case! (In all black or all white.)

Great work on the case, I like your approach to the ongoing design.
 
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danger

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Any idea on when a second batch might be done?

Is it possible to get custom panels done? For example, if we don't want the large opening and fan filter where the fan goes.

I see the color configurator is not available on the website anymore. I think it would be good to leave it up even though we cannot order right now.
 
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K888D

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@K888D Signed up just to vote for all-matte versions of the case! (In all black or all white.)

Thank you for the feedback, it looks like all round matte panels are preferred over the polished but transparent side panels.

Does anyone prefer the transparent side/rear panels?

Any idea on when a second batch might be done?

The target is March, but I can't be sure yet, I still have some decisions to make such as what options will be available to pick when you order, panel colours and surface finishes, etc.

Having so many options to choose from with the First Edition made it pretty difficult to manage the inventory and some parts were hard to source in volume. But at the same time I know that customisation was one of the main draws of the case for allot of people.

Another downside to customisation is that I now have left over stock of certain parts/panel designs which were not as popular, so that's wasted money for me. The problem is that I had to order the parts upfront before you guys configured your cases, so it was a game of prediction as to which panels would be more popular. I got it wrong on the GPU panel as the open panel (with a dust filter) was more popular than the slotted GPU panel, but I ordered 20 slotted panels and only 10 open panels.

I would like to simplify things, but the difficulty is deciding on how to do that.

Is it possible to get custom panels done? For example, if we don't want the large opening and fan filter where the fan goes.

Custom panels are possible yes, but they will carry a significant price premium and extra lead time, they are also only available in polished panels.

Just a thought, why would you want a non-ventilated side panel? This will significantly increase temperatures.

I see the color configurator is not available on the website anymore. I think it would be good to leave it up even though we cannot order right now.

Thanks for pointing that out, not sure what happened but the configurator website plugin had disabled itself. it should be back up and working now (BLACK and WHITE).
 
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Ceros_X

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Perhaps having a pre-pay or a reserve your case (deposit required) where people can select up front with a published cutoff. Call it batch ordering maybe?
 
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Or Group Buy, as is already popular in the mechanical keyboard community. For all intents and purposes, it's pre-ordering without a known release date. Not sure how much people like the idea of that, but maybe there are ways to make it work.

For example, imagine a system similar to massdrop. Let's say the absolute minimum batch was something like 20 units. You have a certain price for that and a date until you can buy into a batch. Now, people can pre-oder their units for that price and pay immediately. If the MOQ is reached, you send out a mail that confirms that their order is now permanent and reminds them of when production of the batch will start. If the MOQ is not reached until the final buy-in date, everyone who pre-ordered gets a full refund.

Now others can still buy into the batch, and once the number of units ordered reaches a certain threshold, the price drops by a few bucks. People who are now buying in will only see this lower price. This is fair to the customers, as higher orders mean lower cost for you, and it will motivate them to share your case and show it to others. Now, once the batch buy-in date is reached, everyone who purchased before the price dropped will be refunded part of their money so everyone payed the discounted price. That way, less people will be motivated to wait for the price to drop.

Then everyone gets a mail that production will begin, how much money they saved/got refunded and when they can expect their case to be shipped. You already have the money you need to start production, so you don't have to pay upfront, and pre-ordering doesn't pose any risk for the customer, so they are more likely to do it. I really like the idea of this system and it works very well for Massdrop, so I'd like to see it be adopted by small companies as well.

The matte White and Orange Case used for the LZ7 First Edition photography is also available for £70 + shipping. Again this is sold in a used condition. EDIT: This case is SOLD

Yes it is, I'm checking the tracking page every day! :D
 

danger

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I suggest a standard configuration for the current price and then if you want customization like colors or different panels, just charge more. This case is significantly cheaper than other small-batch SFF cases right now. Another option would be to have people preorder, which a lot of the other small-batch SFF cases have done.
 
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K888D

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I think they're cool, but I can see why one would want something a bit more understated.

Personally I like the contrast between the matte and polished surface finishes, but I can appreciate that people will prefer the complete matte finish.

The matte material costs more than the polished, but it will likely only add a few £ in the grand scheme.

Perhaps having a pre-pay or a reserve your case (deposit required) where people can select up front with a published cutoff. Call it batch ordering maybe?

Or Group Buy, as is already popular in the mechanical keyboard community. For all intents and purposes, it's pre-ordering without a known release date. Not sure how much people like the idea of that, but maybe there are ways to make it work.

For example, imagine a system similar to massdrop. Let's say the absolute minimum batch was something like 20 units. You have a certain price for that and a date until you can buy into a batch. Now, people can pre-oder their units for that price and pay immediately. If the MOQ is reached, you send out a mail that confirms that their order is now permanent and reminds them of when production of the batch will start. If the MOQ is not reached until the final buy-in date, everyone who pre-ordered gets a full refund.

Now others can still buy into the batch, and once the number of units ordered reaches a certain threshold, the price drops by a few bucks. People who are now buying in will only see this lower price. This is fair to the customers, as higher orders mean lower cost for you, and it will motivate them to share your case and show it to others. Now, once the batch buy-in date is reached, everyone who purchased before the price dropped will be refunded part of their money so everyone payed the discounted price. That way, less people will be motivated to wait for the price to drop.

Then everyone gets a mail that production will begin, how much money they saved/got refunded and when they can expect their case to be shipped. You already have the money you need to start production, so you don't have to pay upfront, and pre-ordering doesn't pose any risk for the customer, so they are more likely to do it. I really like the idea of this system and it works very well for Massdrop, so I'd like to see it be adopted by small companies as well.

I wanted to move away from the pre-ordering system, it felt like a huge responsibility holding onto someones money for a few months. This was my least favorite part of the process and a little stressful to be honest. Once you have someones money you have to deliver the product within the time-frame you promised.

Ideally for the next round of cases I want the parts in front of me before I release them for sale, this way I can fulfill an order quickly and don't have to stress about being let down by external suppliers when I've promised a shipping date!

I suggest a standard configuration for the current price and then if you want customization like colors or different panels, just charge more. This case is significantly cheaper than other small-batch SFF cases right now. Another option would be to have people preorder, which a lot of the other small-batch SFF cases have done.

This is along the lines of what I have been thinking, have a pre-configured Black case with all the trimmings ready to ship for a set price.

Then have a second customisable version where you can select your colours and accessories, this version will have a small price premium and longer lead time to account for the extra handling and time required to fulfill the order.
 

Phuncz

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I personally don't mind the panels being dark transparent, but I do like the matte panel finish a lot. At the moment I have nothing inside the build that lights up (really, NOTHING) although I'd love to be able to see straight through it so I can show people how awesome SFF is. Maybe I need to just give in and get RGB'ed...

BTW: I'd like to take some spare parts you might have laying around that could be used on the case that would fit. If it helps you deal with the financial burden, I'd be happy to buy a slotted GPU panel, some other color pieces, etc.
 

cmyk78

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For me it's not so much the look of glossy that I don't like it's more the feel. It feels "sticky" to the touch and when I wipe it down (or when peeling off the protective plastic) it gets very staticky. Also if you don't use a microfiber cloth when wiping it down you'll likely make it dirtier then when you started. I think it's fine for the PCIe retainer but for larger pieces I personally am not a huge fan. The matte panels however have a very smooth and pleasant feel and don't get staticky even when peeling off the protective plastic.
 
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