Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

Increase volume from 9.8L to 10.5L to support MSI Suprim X 30XX?

  • Yes, worth the trade off to be more compatible with components

    Votes: 84 21.9%
  • No, not worth it b/c it is not better than the ROG 30XX, which fits now at <10L

    Votes: 299 78.1%

  • Total voters
    383

Navic

Master of Cramming
Jan 6, 2019
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See, here’s the thing. You’ve already released information about the case. It’s out there. So with that, I’m having a difficult time understanding how opening your website could add to confusion.

As it stands, many people who look into your case or even your company for that matter only get partial information from scattered sources. I say this speaking from personal experience and, again, from looking at responses on Reddit or even this very forum. That is where the confusion comes from. It’s not that those of us who have compiled everything you’ve stated in this forum thus far are anxious because what you’ve provided isn’t enough. The issue is that currently we have to verify everything we know about the case by navigating this 700 page behemoth of a thread.

Since there seems to have been some confusion about what I was even asking for earlier, I’ll make it clear here:
Please, please just improve the landing page of your website to include the semi-regular updates that you post here every once in a while. You don’t need to update it regularly or when you don’t have anything to say, it just needs to exist in a place that’s easy to access for everyone. I’d also suggest putting the promotional pictures (which you already have) of the updated case there, maybe an order button that is greyed out with a message “currently unavailable, release date TBD” above it, and ideally a small blurb like the one you just delivered to me about how the case is still under development and you are transitioning from the previous model 1.1 to let people know why most of the site isn’t accessible and availability is uncertain at the moment.

I personally think this is a very reasonable ask, and if anyone here agrees, please leave some sort of reaction on this message so @Wahaha360 can see. If it isn’t reasonable, I’d really like a clearer explanation as to why.
Your points are fair, but my guess is that the website is being updated for the new version of the case, considering all the new renders/teasers we've gotten have a vastly different style to previous versions. He's also worked on the website in the past, and has messed it up a few times, which happens when stuff is in development. So my guess is that the v2.0 ready website is still being worked on, and when orders go live for v1.1 drops, he just rolls back to the version we have now.

Plus, W360 is incredibly busy from the times that I've talked with him. He's got multiple projects going on, as well as other irl stuff. What you think may be simple, might actually be more complicated than it seems, and not possible with the time he has right now. And if my first point is correct, then there's no real point to develop a new landing page with more info if the subreddit can serve as a stop-gap. The semi-regular updates are all posted on reddit, both in the Latest Updates thread which is the first link in the sidebar, and more info is in posts marked with "FormD Announcement". That's why there's a link to the reddit on the holding page for the website, because most all of the info people need is there, and if they don't know something, then the Q&A thread is for them.

I understand you want more info consolidated in one central place where you don't have to search through multiple posts (and it makes sense), but when the v2.0 comes out, I feel like that will happen. But in the meantime, I think directing people to the subreddit is just fine, because there people can ask any question they have, and also find a lot of the info in this thread in a post on the subreddit (the v2.0 update is the first pinned post on the subreddit, and in that post is also a link to the latest updates thread with even more info, and the pinned post under that is the bi-weekly Q&A thread to answer more obscure questions)

Tl;DR: The website is not as great as it could be right now which is fair, but the subreddit is serving as a stop-gap in between releases and (by my guess) website updates, which will eventually include more info.
 

SaltyMemeBoy

Chassis Packer
Aug 10, 2021
16
47
Your points are fair, but my guess is that the website is being updated for the new version of the case, considering all the new renders/teasers we've gotten have a vastly different style to previous versions. He's also worked on the website in the past, and has messed it up a few times, which happens when stuff is in development. So my guess is that the v2.0 ready website is still being worked on, and when orders go live for v1.1 drops, he just rolls back to the version we have now.

Plus, W360 is incredibly busy from the times that I've talked with him. He's got multiple projects going on, as well as other irl stuff. What you think may be simple, might actually be more complicated than it seems, and not possible with the time he has right now. And if my first point is correct, then there's no real point to develop a new landing page with more info if the subreddit can serve as a stop-gap. The semi-regular updates are all posted on reddit, both in the Latest Updates thread which is the first link in the sidebar, and more info is in posts marked with "FormD Announcement". That's why there's a link to the reddit on the holding page for the website, because most all of the info people need is there, and if they don't know something, then the Q&A thread is for them.

I understand you want more info consolidated in one central place where you don't have to search through multiple posts (and it makes sense), but when the v2.0 comes out, I feel like that will happen. But in the meantime, I think directing people to the subreddit is just fine, because there people can ask any question they have, and also find a lot of the info in this thread in a post on the subreddit (the v2.0 update is the first pinned post on the subreddit, and in that post is also a link to the latest updates thread with even more info, and the pinned post under that is the bi-weekly Q&A thread to answer more obscure questions)

Tl;DR: The website is not as great as it could be right now which is fair, but the subreddit is serving as a stop-gap in between releases and (by my guess) website updates, which will eventually include more info.
You are essentially the sole person who answers questions in that bi-weekly questions thread, and many of your answers are speculation much like your reply to me was just now. Meaning no offense.

Not having time to update the website? Again, meaning no offense here and speaking plainly - that landing page could literally be built in 30 minutes, if that. All the information that needs to be in there is already prepared, as I’ve mentioned, and he doesn’t even need to have any working links. In terms of keeping it updated, just duplicating what he posts here for updates would be enough and would cost a minute or 2 extra of his time. If he were to just make that one change then instead of checking back in on the project every 2 weeks and having to sift through a deluge of new comments and posts on here or on Reddit, we could just go to his website and be up-to-date on progress in seconds.

Interested to hear from the man himself if he wants to respond.
 
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DrHudacris

King of Cable Management
Jul 20, 2019
842
1,593
You are essentially the sole person who answers questions in that bi-weekly questions thread, and many of your answers are speculation much like your reply to me was just now. Meaning no offense.

Not having time to update the website? Again, meaning no offense here and speaking plainly - that landing page could literally be built in 30 minutes, if that. All the information that needs to be in there is already prepared, as I’ve mentioned, and he doesn’t even need to have any working links. In terms of keeping it updated, just duplicating what he posts here for updates would be enough and would cost a minute or 2 extra of his time. If he were to just make that one change then instead of checking back in on the project every 2 weeks and having to sift through a deluge of new comments and posts on here or on Reddit, we could just go to his website and be up-to-date on progress in seconds.

Interested to hear from the man himself if he wants to respond.

Wouldn't this create the same problem you're trying to avoid? For example, the latest update from W360 was the name change from v1.5 to v2.0 ... And that goes on the landing page completely out of context with no other information? So you might counter and say "put the last 2 updates, or last 3" hell, post all updates on there and now you've got a wall of text on your landing page.

I too wish the website was always "live" instead of the "coming soon" style redirect, but I don't know if it would help a whole lot. On the one hand, you get a wall of text with some info now outdated and irrelevant, on the other you get a snippet that's out of context and perhaps meaningless to someone not following the case. Sure you could say "curate it and delete the now outdated info" but now it's no longer a simple "2 min copy paste job".

I could be wrong, but keeping the website down except during drops also makes it hard to bot-buy the case when it does go live, especially since the drops are announced ahead of time.
 

robbee

Master of Cramming
Silver Supporter
Sep 24, 2016
593
755
@SaltyMemeBoy I think you may be expecting too much at this point. The case isn't final, nor are the prototypes or even certain decisions for that matter. The info you're seeing could be considered more of a dev diary than case specifications. There are no facts yet, you're just getting some insight in the case development.

Updating the website may sound easy but as long as there are no final decisions, there is not a lot to be said on the site either. And believe me, these things take more than 30 minutes (spoiler, i'm a front end web developer).

You may be looking at the wrong case for now if you want to start planning your case into detail. Have faith in W360 exceptional capability to make a great case but have some patience if you really want to build in it.
 

PKAWA

Master of Cramming
May 27, 2020
470
471
I’m a bit surprised and disappointed to see that you just threw everything out and didn’t use what you had to start the beta testing process. Why not just send cases to testers with the disclaimer that you’re working on improving quality control? At the very least they’d be able to give you feedback on the new features of the case at a basic level.

In my opinion, you have bigger problems to solve right now than quality control minutia in what was supposed to be a preliminary test batch of cases anyway. Your website is essentially useless and has been for months, your release date for this case is obviously a moving target (I would be shocked to see general availability before the end of November), and worst of all, people who follow the development of this case religiously still only have a vague idea what they’re even waiting for. Why not take a weekend to just fix your website and create a product page with enough info to bring people into the loop just a little bit? It doesn’t have to be perfect. All I and many others have been asking for is that it just exist at all.

Whether you’re aware of this or not, you’ve built up a lot of frustration among your own supporters based on problems which shouldn’t be too difficult to solve. Just look at any recent update or order alert post on the FormD subreddit. People are just confused about what’s to come, and even for what’s already available, newcomers basically have to learn by word of mouth how to even have a chance of buying a case.

Kindly, you really need to find a better way to interface with your customers than this forum and whatever drippings make their way to the subreddit which is already managed almost entirely by people who aren’t you.
At the risk of being called a shill, I have to say that I find your walls of text pretty inconsiderate.
Try to see that this is not a big company and that they are actively working towards giving us one of the best sff cases out there.
I hope you're not into keyboards because trying to get a custom keyboard or gmk keycaps makes this look like childsplay.
If you want a polished website, lots of inventory, no waiting time, frequent updates etc you really should not be looking into such a niche segment.
 

sffaddiction

Efficiency Noob
Apr 13, 2020
6
3
See, here’s the thing. You’ve already released information about the case. It’s out there. So with that, I’m having a difficult time understanding how opening your website could add to confusion.

As it stands, many people who look into your case or even your company for that matter only get partial information from scattered sources. I say this speaking from personal experience and, again, from looking at responses on Reddit or even this very forum. That is where the confusion comes from. It’s not that those of us who have compiled everything you’ve stated in this forum thus far are anxious because what you’ve provided isn’t enough. The issue is that currently we have to verify everything we know about the case by navigating this 700 page behemoth of a thread.

Since there seems to have been some confusion about what I was even asking for earlier, I’ll make it clear here:
Please, please just improve the landing page of your website to include the semi-regular updates that you post here every once in a while. You don’t need to update it regularly or when you don’t have anything to say, it just needs to exist in a place that’s easy to access for everyone. I’d also suggest putting the promotional pictures (which you already have) of the updated case there, maybe an order button that is greyed out with a message “currently unavailable, release date TBD” above it, and ideally a small blurb like the one you just delivered to me about how the case is still under development and you are transitioning from the previous model 1.1 to let people know why most of the site isn’t accessible and availability is uncertain at the moment.

I personally think this is a very reasonable ask, and if anyone here agrees, please leave some sort of reaction on this message so @Wahaha360 can see. If it isn’t reasonable, I’d really like a clearer explanation as to why.
There are plenty of other options if you disagree with the man's business practices. The fact that his cases go through the "prototype" stages and actually make production is amazing in itself and well all benefit. If you want SFF, its a game of patience. Look at all the other small-time producers here, many don't make it out of design and lots don't go past the initial production run. So good luck getting a case that you want but that's sold out. Go look at the Duncase indiegogo page for a glimpse into how the process is really like (spoilers, backers have been waiting years for a premium $200 atx case with no end in sight).

It seems like you want your cake and eat it too but in reality, you'll have to stick with the NR200s and H1s if you want availability and a fancy website.
 

SoSquidTaste

SFF Lingo Aficionado
Feb 26, 2018
119
185
The info you're seeing could be considered more of a dev diary than case specifications.

Damn, this is such a good way of expressing the same thought that I had but couldn't phrase quite right.

I, for one, love that "dev diary" aspect of this thread so far. Case in point: how frothy I got when W360 mentioned that he had unofficially test fit a 280 GTS radiator hahahah. It's certainly a C O M M I T M E N T to the thread though, so in that sense I do empathize with newcomers to the project. Any old-timers remember when we were only like 180 pages in and had folks coming through complaining about having to read a novel just to get caught up? Now it's a proper high fantasy epic series of novels :p

Anyhow, it's been a hell of a fun ride overthinking little drips of potential ideas over the past couple of years <3 If we can keep our collective feelings under control and keep those drips coming, then it'll be rad to keep going as it has been. On the other hand, much respect if W360 decides to keep things closer to his chest until it's release time going forward; a nice sign of the T1 project's growth to date??
 

SaltyMemeBoy

Chassis Packer
Aug 10, 2021
16
47
At the risk of being called a shill, I have to say that I find your walls of text pretty inconsiderate.
Try to see that this is not a big company and that they are actively working towards giving us one of the best sff cases out there.
I hope you're not into keyboards because trying to get a custom keyboard or gmk keycaps makes this look like childsplay.
If you want a polished website, lots of inventory, no waiting time, frequent updates etc you really should not be looking into such a niche segment.
I really don’t think I made that big of an ask nor do I think I was being overly insulting or aggressive, and I never said I wasn’t willing to wait. I just think I’m understandably frustrated with the way the information around this case is being delivered. As for what @robbee about web development, he uses Shopify. It’s not as if he has to build anything from scratch. It truly is a 30 minute or less process.
 

Wahaha360

a.k.a W360
Original poster
SFFLAB
NCASE
SSUPD
Feb 23, 2015
2,009
10,014
It's rather rude to insult someone for polite and valid criticism.

Not sure how you interpreted this to be so.

@SaltyMemeBoy, it's not intended to.

I literally said 1) leave the subject, 2) Salty is salty, 3) Salty in his name. I would say 1), 2), 3) are literally stating the obvious. Not sure where the insult applies.
 

Misty

Minimal Tinkerer
New User
Sep 13, 2021
4
1
Not sure how you interpreted this to be so.

@SaltyMemeBoy, it's not intended to.

I literally said 1) leave the subject, 2) Salty is salty, 3) Salty in his name. I would say 1), 2), 3) are literally stating the obvious. Not sure where the insult applies.
Well said , just continue making the formd t1 better! , dont waste time on people who want to spoon fed all the information in the world.
 

SaltyMemeBoy

Chassis Packer
Aug 10, 2021
16
47
It’s true, I am salty. Went ahead and bought a meshlicious. I’ll check back here when there’s more info, maybe I’ll switch over in the future. Specifically if there’s more info on the tower config, someone @me