They should all be M3 screws, which you can usually find at most hardware stores (if in the US, I can confirm Home Depot does). Not sure of the length, but I’d just take one of the other screws with you to compare at the store.
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So I am about to build in this case and I am wondering what some of you guys have had experience with deliding CPUs for the cooling for this case. I am looking at the i9-9900k but I plan on deliding it and using a Copper IHS from Rockit Cool with Kryonaut thermal paste. I know liquid metal would work better but I don't want to have to take off the IHS each year, or two, just to re-do the liquid metal. With this CPU I would also use the Asetek 92mm AIO with a Noctua fan. Would it be likely that I would see less than 85C under most benchmarks? I will mostly game but I am planing on streaming soon too and try to get into animation stuff as well.
My GPU is a 2080 Super that will fit in this case well too.
My GPU is a 2080 Super that will fit in this case well too.
Well, this is it then, my solution on dropping the M.2 temps in my system.
Before it was the Samsung 970PRO 512GB mounted on the rear of the motherboard, resulting in high 70's temps under load.
Now, with this setup, bringing the M.2 to the front using a ADT-Link cable, adding a EK cooler and actively cooling the heatsink, it results in mid 40's under load.
I am happy with this result.
Just waiting for a more high quality fan to come in and then I'm finishing up on the cables.
It is mounted using a 3D printed part strapping onto the PCI-E connector. This screws onto the ADT-Link extender and ads a mount for the fan.
Before it was the Samsung 970PRO 512GB mounted on the rear of the motherboard, resulting in high 70's temps under load.
Now, with this setup, bringing the M.2 to the front using a ADT-Link cable, adding a EK cooler and actively cooling the heatsink, it results in mid 40's under load.
I am happy with this result.
Just waiting for a more high quality fan to come in and then I'm finishing up on the cables.
It is mounted using a 3D printed part strapping onto the PCI-E connector. This screws onto the ADT-Link extender and ads a mount for the fan.
Well, this is it then, my solution on dropping the M.2 temps in my system.
Before it was the Samsung 970PRO 512GB mounted on the rear of the motherboard, resulting in high 70's temps under load.
Now, with this setup, bringing the M.2 to the front using a ADT-Link cable, adding a EK cooler and actively cooling the heatsink, it results in mid 40's under load.
I am happy with this result.
Just waiting for a more high quality fan to come in and then I'm finishing up on the cables.
It is mounted using a 3D printed part strapping onto the PCI-E connector. This screws onto the ADT-Link extender and ads a mount for the fan.
Nice!. Can you share the 3D part files?
I just bought the V4.0 earlier today. All well. I am looking to install a Netgear AC1900 adapter internally with a USB key A to type A adapter.
I will likely just use 3M double sided tape to attach the adapter to the back of the PSU and hopefully it all works just fine.. Once I get my case I will provide some benchmarks on how well the 9900K and 2080 XC work in this case. Both with stock paste on the GPU and CPU then also with Kryonaut on both the GPU and a Copper IHS delided CPU. I would go Conductonaut but I see that liquid metal doesn't play well with copper.
Take a look at this, the soldered 9900k runs cooler than the one with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and you don't gain much using liquid metal.
I am fairly new to the terms deliding and solder and such so could you explain what solder means for a processor. I assume it just means a stock processor.
After some more research I did find that yeah the 9th gen CPUs stock means it is soldered than the crap they used to use on the older generations. I suppose for now I will see if my 9900k does well with the 92mm AIO. I will very likely have to go into the BIOS and limit the TDP to 95W but that's not a big deal really.
It would be a waste to get a 9900K and put it into a DAN. In order to have temps manageable, even with an 645LT, you're going to need to undervolt, turn off MCE, and/or set max TDP to 95W. The fastest ship I'd put in a Dan would be a 9700k and even then that'd be a waste. This is coming from a guy who did two Dan builds with a 8700k and 9900k and later swapped both out for i5-8400's.
IHS is integrated heat spreader that is soldered to the CPU die, Intel previously did this up until the Ivy Lake. With Ivy Lake Intel started to use TIM between the IHS and the die, this was not as efficient for heat transfer and that is when you saw the start of delidding. With liquid metal people saw marked improvements in CPU temps. Intel continued to use TIM until the release of their 9th generation. My 8700k used TIM and by delidding and applying liquid metal I saw a full 20C improvement in temps. A 9900k will see a slight improvement with liquid metal. Silicon Lottery, who offer a delidding service, report only 3 - 7C better temps.
If it was me I would not even bother, the improvement is not enough to justify voiding the warranty.
If it was me I would not even bother, the improvement is not enough to justify voiding the warranty.
Okay that makes a lot of sense with the TIM and IHS. I remember the Ivy Lake and it's heat issues, it's the main reason I never owned that generation of CPU. I have some money to spare so even if a 9900k limited to 95W is even just slightly better than a stock 9700k I find it to be worth it enough really. I cannot imagine that a 9700k would run cooler than a limited 9900k but I am barely started researching this stuff yesterday.
I wonder if it'd be better to just get a 8086K and delid it and use a copper ihs while still being cheaper than a 9900k.
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Significantly! Here is what I've tested on: i7 8700 (not K) + GTX 1070 + Noctua NH l9i fins vertically + polished duct
The bottom underMB fan (blower) reduces the temps 5-7 degrees in extreme conditions. It doesn't do much in normal/idle mode, but when the room temps rise or when you stress your components ingame, it stabilizes the temps around safe 72 degrees (for me) when without this, I can grow even up to 82 when the room temp gets over 30°C. And not just that! It also removes the heat from the problematic midzone GPU/CPU.
Bottom fan as intake is not useful much in the duct scenario. Would be probably much more useful on less effective no-duct.
The second bottom fan which would be under PSU is completely useless, wouldn't even bother. Waste of money. It will only increase your noise levels.
The last thing I tried is 120mm fan in the AIO Bracket (GPU side). With a 25mm thick fan, the difference is negligible. I think 14mm fan would be much more appropriate here. Anyway, the case itself can get really hot, like 60+ degrees I would say and AIO bracket fan can definitely cool this down like minus 20-30. But what for (it chokes the GPU a bit but reduce the temp on CPU by -2 degrees while significantly rising the noise levels)
Another thing to improve is a single fan above CPU as M-jeri shows, if you want to be perfect, i would make there circulation doubling that - one sucker, one blower, but really not something necessary.
So from what I've learned and what I think is the best setup unless you are a huge fan of AIOs:
Noctua NH l9i vertically, 1x noctua nf A9x14 PWM on bottom, AIO Bracket with 120x120x14 mm Noctua and you are ok.
I've got my hands on the new ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 and did a little PCB analysis and VRM Breakdown! 
Its german...I know! But if you're just looking for a first little impression...CHECK IT OUT! <3
Its german...I know!
But if you're just looking for a first little impression...CHECK IT OUT! <3Thanks for the details. This has been insightful.
My system is up and running now however the way that I ran the cables leaves no space under the MB for another fan. Once my pslate order arrives, I will add that fan.
I've got my hands on the new ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 and did a little PCB analysis and VRM Breakdown!
Its german...I know!
So I had this board for a week now.
Absolutely regret getting this. I need a 2.5" HDD to work. I dump all my work test data into a second data drive. Something I been doing for over a decade. But alas, no dice. I am using the low profile SATA connector and the image is with the 4 PSU screws off...
But completely my mistake. New to SFF and I wanted TB3. Overlooked the SATA connector type. So as soon as the strix board comes in, this goes out. Hopefully that works out.
That is too bad, I see people reporting the same issue with the Sliger SM cases, PSU sits right next to the SATA connectors.So I had this board for a week now.
Absolutely regret getting this. I need a 2.5" HDD to work. I dump all my work test data into a second data drive. Something I been doing for over a decade. But alas, no dice. I am using the low profile SATA connector and the image is with the 4 PSU screws off...
But completely my mistake. New to SFF and I wanted TB3. Overlooked the SATA connector type. So as soon as the strix board comes in, this goes out. Hopefully that works out.
