Motherboard Anyone seen this? Udoo Bolt, a maker motherboard with Ryzen SoC

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Yes in Aibohphobia's STX160.0 thread! Good show reminding us of that.
Could someone jog my memory? Is the practical limit for gaming with 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes around a GTX 1060/RX 580? I don’t recall where the point of diminishing returns was in terms of bottlenecking of frame rates. I might consider something like this in the future if I could whip up a 3D case and use a GTX 1060 or equivalent. It is just a possibility I am considering, especially given the potential portability benefits.
 

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Ah... That sounds excellent! I actually remember now where I was thinking of the bottlenecking conundrum—Thunderbolt 3 and dual-core Windows tablets. As I recall vaguely on the Eve Community forums from a year or so ago, someone had posted test results of scaling with either an Asus Transformer 3 Pro or the Eve V. They had found that the GTX 1060 was the practical limit due to CPU bottlenecking.
 

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Man, I'm so close to backing this... This looks very fun for SFF brainstorming, but I also really want to snag an i7-8809g unit once those drop... So many decisions.

Anybody know if they mentioned if they will enable ECC support?
 
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Ah... That sounds excellent! I actually remember now where I was thinking of the bottlenecking conundrum—Thunderbolt 3 and dual-core Windows tablets. As I recall vaguely on the Eve Community forums from a year or so ago, someone had posted test results of scaling with either an Asus Transformer 3 Pro or the Eve V. They had found that the GTX 1060 was the practical limit due to CPU bottlenecking.
With Thunderbolt, you have the additional hurdle that you are not using the PCIe lanes from the CPU, but those from the chipset. For both Intel and recent AMD (post Ryzen) platforms that means effectively the GPU needs to share a PCIe 3.0 link with all the other chipset-connected components, and on Ryzen all the chipset lanes are PCIe 2.0 only. The Udoo is using the V1000 embedded SoC, so there is no chipset. Instead, those 4x 3.0 lanes come directly from the CPU.

PCIe bottlenecks in GPU performance mainly scale with framerate rather than GPU performance (i.e. the more frames you render per second, the more 'chunks' of data need to pass from the CPU to the GPU). As the V1000 CPU is pretty slow, you're unlikely to be reaching a high enough framerate in the first place for PCIe link bandwidth to be the main limit of performance.
 
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So with AM4 Mini-STX going to be a thing from ASRock, what features does this board offer that Mini-STX with a Ryzen APU won't? (other than the obvious downscale from 5x5 to 4.7x4.7).
It's way lower TDP so it can work with more limiting enclosures in general, but I'm curious what tradeoffs in features and performance you're getting for that size and power decrease.
 

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So with AM4 Mini-STX going to be a thing from ASRock, what features does this board offer that Mini-STX with a Ryzen APU won't? (other than the obvious downscale from 5x5 to 4.7x4.7).
It's way lower TDP so it can work with more limiting enclosures in general, but I'm curious what tradeoffs in features and performance you're getting for that size and power decrease.
This is more of a development/maker board with extra IO aimed at that market.

Kind of like the RaspberryPi versus a budget Linux box- they are both usable, but the box isn't as Dev friendly and the RPi wouldn't have as much outright performance.
 

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Did you get to see if the mounting holes for the APU cooler are compatible with 3rd party coolers? I don't know what the typical layout is for the embedded Ryzen/Vega chips.
 

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Any ideas? How high are the elements under the motherboard?

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