Looking at the Winter One User Guide and I noticed that there is no mention of a horizontal orientation. IRRC, it was mentioned in this thread that the feet can be moved to the ventilated side panels. Do you plan to make an addendum in the future mentioning the orientation?
This feature had to be removed for two reasons: Internal space was being opened up to support the 3090FE, which thinned the side panel channels (for sliding) that were originally in place to handle the weight. Then, we ran into sliding issues with the panels, even on v11, because of the variation in thin channels being machined to tight tolerances. Ultimately, the solution was to have two thick regions that could allow for sliding at the correct tolerances, and a *removal* of the thin regions on the inside of the Front / Rear panel that formed a (now weakened) structural support for Horizontal Orientation.
The end result is that Horizontal Orientation with the case feet attached to the side panel had to be cut as a feature, as FEA simulations showed considerable strain and possible panel warping without the thin channels running the full length to bolster the side panels. Leaving the thin channels in, we had issues with how smoothly side panels could be slid into the case. Considering this was the biggest complaint we received during the Beta, it was not a problem I wanted to take a chance on.
The case being used on its side is currently an unsupported configuration.
We're exploring how to add this functionality in the future.
I'm putting this computer together with the idea that my son will take it with him to college in two years, so we've gone heavy on the hardware. 3080FE and a 5900x (coming soon) and I'd at first planned to water cool it all like we have in his ghost s1. But lately he had a pump go out and he didn't even notice ... he came to me wondering why his pc was crashing after a few minutes of flight sim. I'm now thinking of having him just go air cooled but I'm struggling to find a cooler < 70mm that can handle a 5900x. Any other suggestions?
NH L12S. Best <70mm Cooler available. Flip the fan so it exhausts towards the motherboard, and pulls air through the heatsink (even on solid panels!)
The NH-L12S would be fine based on Winterone's stress testing of the 5950x
earlier in the thread. It hits 90C but would be 105C if we had solid panels (assuming no thermal throttling). I would probably limit the ppt (and thus the performance) until you get it to a max of 95C for work station tasks. Perhaps our lord and creator
@WinterCharm can shove solid panels on and do the same tests, reporting clock speed throttling?
Within 2 years
@WinterCharm will probably have released his custom heat sinks which will fit the case specifically (please please please please please please). It's one reason that attracted me to the case in the first place because no one else is considering this and it will be super quiet.
Keep in mind my 5950X is running fully unlocked for that test, because I wanted to see how far I could push the L12S with airflow optimizations (in terms of heat output dissipated (162W for the L12S in Winter One). At Stock Settings (125W power limit) it should be very well controlled with 70-80C temps.
Also,
There was a huge mistake in the data referenced for liquid cooling tests. The delta should not be 15C. Please See My Comment Here, For More Detail.
Furthermore, it should be noted that Ryzen 5000 is temperature limited to 90C. The Chip will simply dial back power when it hits 90C to maintain that temperature indefinitely. What becomes important then, is average power draw at 90C. And finally, air cooled vs water cooled data is harder to cross-compare on solid vs perf panels (a 4C delta for watercooling does not mean a 4C delta will also exist for air cooling).
Just watched the build video. This thing looks nicer to build in than a lot of full-sized enthusiast cases. Great job!
Question: has manufacturing a front panel with ports been considered? Personally, I'd be interested in one with a single USB-C port.
It has been considered, yes. There is room under the power button for a single USB-C port, but it would take away from pump space under the spine (from 87mm to 72mm). From the survey data I took early on, there were not too many requests for it, so it's something that we could potentially do later. It's not a "No" but it's not very high on the priority list, compared to just getting the case in the hands of everyone, and getting the supply chain smoothed out. Once that's done, we can start looking at more things.
I don't know if it has been answered already but I want to ask anyway but is the extension cord to connect the PSU to the back of the case rated for 230V and not only for 120V used in America
The PSU Extension cable is Rated for
110-250V AC, and up to 10A of current (for a maximum of 2500W on 250V AC, or 1100W at 110V AC)
16 degrees delta gives A LOT of room for lowering RPMs. 16 degrees difference with 170w CPU (figure from GN 3900x review, 170w after OC) is game changer I think not only for me, but for most solid panels backers. Instead of upgrading in the future I think better solution is to sell first batch and rebuy.
