Completed The MI-6 Microtower Case: Performance in 6.7L

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Well, this is probably too late now but I highly reccomend the case be widened a centimeter for bigger CPU coolers. I've been trying for the last week to tame a i7-8700 non k with a L9i. After installing a far louder 2000rpm fan, I'm still in the 90c range with lots of CPU speed throttle / fluctuation. Coffe Lake runs really hot and there aren't a lot of sub 65mm CPU coolers out there that can even try to run it.
 

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Well, this is probably too late now but I highly reccomend the case be widened a centimeter for bigger CPU coolers. I've been trying for the last week to tame a i7-8700 non k with a L9i. After installing a far louder 2000rpm fan, I'm still in the 90c range with lots of CPU speed throttle / fluctuation. Coffe Lake runs really hot and there aren't a lot of sub 65mm CPU coolers out there that can even try to run it.

Just curious, what other <= 65mm coolers you've tried?

Ever tried Noctua NH-L9x65? That one is 65mm.

Also, MI-6 CPU cooler clearance is actually 68mm, so I'll try it with my Noctua NH-L12 later, which is 66mm tall without top fan.
 

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Well, this is probably too late now but I highly reccomend the case be widened a centimeter for bigger CPU coolers. I've been trying for the last week to tame a i7-8700 non k with a L9i. After installing a far louder 2000rpm fan, I'm still in the 90c range with lots of CPU speed throttle / fluctuation. Coffe Lake runs really hot and there aren't a lot of sub 65mm CPU coolers out there that can even try to run it.

I have a 65W Ryzen 1700 with a Zalman CNPS8900 Quiet (AM4 brackets made by me) and I barely reach 61°C with Prime95 and 65°C with Prime95 + Fumark, 35°C maximum on 1080p gaming.
Maybe you have the widepread Tim problem. You can resolve with delidding only.
 
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The NH-L9i struggled with the 7700k, the 8700k is basically the 7700k but with 50% more cores, I don't think it's a suitable cooler if you want to maintain at least stock clocks for this CPU.

The NH-L12 and Scythe Big Shuriken will give you the best chance of avoiding throttling. I've seen results of people managing some very minor overclocks with the Shuriken on a 6700k, but as mentioned above that had 50% less cores. I don't think you will be doing any overclocking with the 8700k with a sub 70mm cooler even in open air.
 

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Yeap.. in short, in SFF world, there's always a trade-off between size, noise, temperature, and power.

(Not to mention the limited component choices that we have)
 

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The NH-L9i struggled with the 7700k, the 8700k is basically the 7700k but with 50% more cores, I don't think it's a suitable cooler if you want to maintain at least stock clocks for this CPU.

The NH-L12 and Scythe Big Shuriken will give you the best chance of avoiding throttling. I've seen results of people managing some very minor overclocks with the Shuriken on a 6700k, but as mentioned above that had 50% less cores. I don't think you will be doing any overclocking with the 8700k with a sub 70mm cooler even in open air.

I think you are right. My original plan was to use an i5 8400 with the MI-6 just to avoid cooling problems, but when I had a chance to get an i7 8700k for $250 I had to grab it. I have it installed in my Ncase now with a Dark Rock TF and during stress tests I am getting 58C - 62C which is not bad at all, that is with no overclock. I think a delid will be necessary for use in the MI-6
 
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Just curious, what other <= 65mm coolers you've tried?

Ever tried Noctua NH-L9x65? That one is 65mm.

Also, MI-6 CPU cooler clearance is actually 68mm, so I'll try it with my Noctua NH-L12 later, which is 66mm tall without top fan.


Right now just the L9i. This is on the 8700 65watt (supposedly). I have a 77 watt i5-3550 running on an L9i and it stays very cool. Bottom line is that the Coffeelakes are putting out a ton of heat. I think I can cool it with an AXP 100 or similar, but that needs 70mm space. With a bottom mount fan, it would be fairly quiet.

I'm hoping to hear of someone using the NH-L9x65 before I invest a bunch of money into it. Hopefully it does well, but I don't think it will.
 

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Leaning towards the Ryzen 7 1700 and a NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 if it fits without a ton of noise turbulence being that it will be very close to the side of the case.
 
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Ok, I got the samples from the fabricator (!)
I am busy doing dimension checks, fit checks, etc, but here are a few pics I snapped of parts and checks and such.





(3M riser used for fit check, since I didn't have a LiHeat yet with the correct connector direction)



These pics are using the photography light stand I'm still setting up and such, so they aren't polished pics yet.
 
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Dimensions are looking very good so far. Checking all dims with either measurements or fit check to mating part, or both. Found a couple m3 threaded holes that had a thread problem, and need to adjust a dim slightly to make sure the top plate always fits correctly.

The only other issue is the brushed anodized finish
The brushing is a bit coarse to the touch, so I'll have a finer brushing done.

Powdercoating on chassis looks great.
Workmanship on slotted holes is great.
Front I/O and gpu fit great.
Surrogate riser fits great.
Next up is MB fit check that I will do tonight.
 

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Holy moly!! I was finding myself unsure if I was still looking at renders, but no!:D I was sceptical about how the brushing would look, and even though you mention it's a bit coarse, I must say it looks really good. You just got me STOKED once again man :D
 
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firewolfy

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Holy moly!! I was finding myself unsure if I was still looking at renders, but no!:D I was sceptical about how the brushing would look, and even though you mention it's a bit coarse, I must say it looks really good. You just got me STOKED once again man :D
Thanks for the feedback!
Been fighting with an old dslr camera I am using. Tough to get good detail. I think the camera is just crummy enough to give a low detail shot that smears imperfections. Lol
 
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firewolfy

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I don't have time this morning to do much of an update, but I'll do more this evening.

For now I give you: lighted LED.

It's actually less white and more blue. The camera just doesn't see that too well.

I built up a computer in this sample case and started doing thermal testing.
 
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eggDK

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Even with an old dslr you should be able to do a manual HDR photo, as long as you mount it on something..
 

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Even with an old dslr you should be able to do a manual HDR photo, as long as you mount it on something..

Good point. I hadn't looked into HDR and using exposure bracketing and photoshop merging to do the same thing. I put an HDR photo on the first page at the top. I'll add more as I process them.
 
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