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[Wahaha360]

Cooling 240W in less than 10L with 120 AIO... I mean... Impressive design work and engineering there,

It’s neat, but once these parts are in the case, temperatures will be worse. How much worse depends on ventilation tweaks.

My argument is that for NO OC, 120mm AIO, like the Corsair H60 2018 is good enough.

If 4.5ghz OC for all 8 cores is ok, or 2 cores at 5ghz + rest at 4ghz, a custom 120mm loop is also possible.

240 AIO and or Custom loop is really for people looking for below OC < 80C or 5ghz on all cores OC.

 

[Wahaha360]

Noctua NH-D15 (2x NF-A14 PWM on one fan Y Splitter cable)


Just finished testing the Noctua NH-D15. Given the results, I don't see the need to test NH-L12S, 9900K OC at 200W+ is just way over the intended use.

120 AIO is the better choice imo.

 

[Nanook]

Noctua NH-D15 (2x NF-A14 PWM on one fan Y Splitter cable)


Just finished testing the Noctua NH-D15. Given the results, I don't see the need to test NH-L12S, 9900K OC at 200W+ is just way over the intended use.

120 AIO is the better choice imo.

I run my 9900K with a 190w power limit, 240mm AIO. I get about 80c when running Prime95 (-3AVX) and am happy with that setup.

If I must use the L12 or lesser cooler, I’ll probably lock it at less than 150w.

 

[Wahaha360]

I run my 9900K with a 190w power limit, 240mm AIO. I get about 80c when running Prime95 (-3AVX) and am happy with that setup.

If I must use the L12 or lesser cooler, I’ll probably lock it at less than 150w.

Which 240mm AIO?

Are getting around 4.3ghz per core for all cores?

 

[Nanook]

Which 240mm AIO?

Are getting around 4.3ghz per core for all cores?

An older Thermaltake Water Extreme 3.0. 9900K set to 5ghz all cores, but 4.7ghz on AVX workloads.

 

[fabio]

@Wahaha360
Amazing test man! And I need to step back and agree with you about the Kollance 120 performance! Super good!
Let's say that we lose 5/6 degree inside the case, but in any case, a 120mm is enough for the 9900K OC! You confirm my feeling from my test did in the Dan Case.
Now we miss only your SidearmD!

 

[chyll2]

Will the koolance 120 copper rad will also be available in sfflab?

 

[Wahaha360]

Will the koolance 120 copper rad will also be available in sfflab?

The Koolance is available on multiple websites in the US and EU.

I'm working on something semi-custom. Very similar to Aqua Computer radiators. This type of radiator is closer to CPU heatsink stacks than typical radiators. All else equal, performance is worse than traditional radiators, however, since I can customize the dimensions / volume / surface area for this project, it might offer interesting performance gains. This is experiment territory, so no idea on performance or ETA, it's not a priority.

 

[Legion]

The Koolance is available on multiple websites in the US and EU.

Koolance have no EU distributor (or resellers) for rads (crazy). They are only available in the US. I ordered some for delivery for the UK from Performance PC's a couple of weeks ago for a build. The extra taxes, delivery to UK and import duty was quite a sting on the original prices......

They are the only 30fpi slim rads left on the market and "best" used with 1800rpm+ fans. 16fpi slim rads and the ability to use them to a good standard of performance with low rpm fans (therefore quieter) killed the rest of the 30fpi slim rads off.

 

[zzmadd]

I run my 9900K with a 190w power limit, 240mm AIO. I get about 80c when running Prime95 (-3AVX) and am happy with that setup.

If I must use the L12 or lesser cooler, I’ll probably lock it at less than 150w.

I've mounted 8x i9 9900K in the last 2 months.
Power consumption, hence heat, depends on the motherboard, CPU, bios, settings and can lead to significant difference IMO.
The ideal speed IMO is the stock Intel turbo clock speed without any limitation coming from power consumption. I can get 2050/2070 in Cinebench R15.
On this CPU I get the most heat from Cinebench R15 / R20. So I run Prime95 with settings that match such power consumption and heat. I don't use AVX aware Prime95 as that can be under clocked. I use Ver 266 with settings such as 96 / 144.

One of those i9 9900K runs on Asus Strix Z370M with a Cryorig H5. This system gives very good results. All core running @4.7Ghz consume circa 150W/155W. With these settings after half an hour you have circa 90° temp inside a MasterBox Q300L.

Another of those i9 9900K runs on Asus Prime Z370-A II with a Noctua NH-D15S. This system gives good results too. All core running @4.7Ghz consume circa 150W / 155W. With these settings after half an hour you have circa 83° temp inside a NZXT H500.

Another of these i9 9900K runs on the same Asus Prime Z370-A II (but it's less "lucky") with a Cryorig H5. Even though the motherboard and CPU and bios ver are the same, this system finds stability when all core are running @4.7Ghz @ circa 160W / 165W. With these settings after half an hour you have circa 94° temp inside a Phanteks P300 Glass.

What I'm trying to say is an i9 9900K can run at full turbo Intel clock settings consuming 150W / 170W.
This means All Core @ real 4.7Ghz which is the hotter scenario as the loaded core decrease temp decreases.

Hope it's helpful and meaningful.

 

[GuilleAcoustic]

80°-90° .... I hope it is not Celcius... Honestly, I wouldn't feel comfy with such high temperature. Can't imagine the heat inside the chassis once you add a GPU.

 

[zzmadd]

They're components. They have to live 5/6 years. Then they go into the trash can.
Over-caring about a motherboard is funny.
If they brake you swap them. And they don't break.
Some Apple notebooks and iMac brake but Apple has them running in such a WAY smaller place and throttle them over 100°.

 

[Allhopeforhumanity]

They're components. They have to live 5/6 years. Then they go into the trash can.
Over-caring about a motherboard is funny.
If they brake you swap them. And they don't break.
Some Apple notebooks and iMac brake but Apple has them running in such a WAY smaller place and throttle them over 100°.

I think that's a pretty pessimistic way to view components. I have a couple 6-core nehelim era xeons with 10 year old x58 boards still crunching through physics simulations on a daily basis.

80 C isn't really a deal breaker though, particularly for SFF rigs running 140 W or higher components, its mostly just par the course with most configs running stress-test type loads unless you've got a custom loop going on.

 

[GuilleAcoustic]

They're components. They have to live 5/6 years. Then they go into the trash can.
Over-caring about a motherboard is funny.
If they brake you swap them. And they don't break.
Some Apple notebooks and iMac brake but Apple has them running in such a WAY smaller place and throttle them over 100°.

Most people do not sleep on a bed of money... And components are not ink cartridges. Modern society ??

A few years back, 60-70 was considered as hot for a CPU... Now 80-90 is OK...

 

[Allhopeforhumanity]

A few years back, 60-70 was considered as hot for a CPU... Now 80-90 is OK...

That's mostly due to process improvements though. Transistors are much closer together leading to higher heat densities, but defect density and voltage requirements have also come down considerably which in turn makes operating at those higher temperatures less of a concern for component longevity. Also support components like solid state capacitors (vs electrolytic), migrating the north bridge to the CPU, and electronic safety measures (over volt/over current protection, throttling, P-states, etc) further reduce the worries associated with high temperature operation.

 

[Nanook]

Most people do not sleep on a bed of money... And components are not ink cartridges. Modern society ??

A few years back, 60-70 was considered as hot for a CPU... Now 80-90 is OK...

9900K at 80-90c is when I’m running CPU intensive software, such as long Keyshot rendering queues, or batch RAW to jpg conversions. These workloads happen about once a month. For day to day use and gaming, my system runs around 50-60.

 

[Wahaha360]

For the custom radiator, I’m looking to get 4.7ghz OC for all 8 cores, running Cinebench R20, max temperature <80C.

I think this might be possible. That should be more than enough for most people.

I know <70C is popular for WC, maybe 4.5ghz on all cores.

 

[Raptor_N60]

Any other high performance contenders apart from LS120 and HX-CU420V? I can't find either of them here in China...

 

[fabio]

For the custom radiator, I’m looking to get 4.7ghz OC for all 8 cores, running Cinebench R20, max temperature <80C.

I think this might be possible. That should be more than enough for most people.

I know <70C is popular for WC, maybe 4.5ghz on all cores.

Hey man! I think that you are doing an amazing job! BTW, the HWLabs GTS 240 plus Sterrox Fan and Eibaer LT pump in the Streacom can keep at 80 degrees all the cores under Cinebench R15 at 5ghz.
Maybe will be great if your new Rad could be like 20mm thick and give the performance you want?

 

[Wahaha360]

Hey man! I think that you are doing an amazing job! BTW, the HWLabs GTS 240 plus Sterrox Fan and Eibaer LT pump in the Streacom can keep at 80 degrees all the cores under Cinebench R15 at 5ghz.
Maybe will be great if your new Rad could be like 20mm thick and give the performance you want?

That's what I'm thinking, 2 options:
1. custom 240x 25mm radiator, 30 FPI for 25mm thick fan under SFX, 12-16FPI for 15mm thick fan under motherboard
2. custom 240 radiator 25mm thick in the front, 15mm thick in the back, for two 120x25mm thick fans