S4 Mini w/ Ryzen 1700 and 1080 TI
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ah I'm pretty happy you started playing with HWinfo..
addition of slim fan are great indeed (i suggest you switch to Noctua a12-15 if it fits...and also, try full exhaust mode...that works really great for my Node 202 (with core i7 4770k) and my cerberus-X (OC R7 1700X).
Like for all ryzen, aim 70°C on t° die maximum...you are now really close in torture test, so you should be fine in normal workload.
for GTX1080ti mini, you are reaching almost the 250W of FE model. However 4k fan rpm seems really high. On my MSI GTX 1080ti (2,5x slots, dual 100mm torx fan), I'm reaching around 78°C core temp using 320w with fan spinning 1800-1900rpm (core clock is around 1962-2000mhz depending on load).
However, i'm really pleased by your psu...holding a 410w load is really impressive for its size. Absence of noticeable coil whine is icing on the cake..
addition of slim fan are great indeed (i suggest you switch to Noctua a12-15 if it fits...and also, try full exhaust mode...that works really great for my Node 202 (with core i7 4770k) and my cerberus-X (OC R7 1700X).
Like for all ryzen, aim 70°C on t° die maximum...you are now really close in torture test, so you should be fine in normal workload.
for GTX1080ti mini, you are reaching almost the 250W of FE model. However 4k fan rpm seems really high. On my MSI GTX 1080ti (2,5x slots, dual 100mm torx fan), I'm reaching around 78°C core temp using 320w with fan spinning 1800-1900rpm (core clock is around 1962-2000mhz depending on load).
However, i'm really pleased by your psu...holding a 410w load is really impressive for its size. Absence of noticeable coil whine is icing on the cake..
I think the 4K RPM is a sensor glitch, it really only maxes around 3K. I tried the Noctua but they are slightly bigger than the Scythe and I couldn't get the case back on without significant bowing and pressure, which is why I ordered and installed the Scythe's.
I had ordered his 1 down from max brick originally, but over long time stress tests it got too hot and would thermal shut down. I temporarily fixed this by throwing some heat sinks and a fan on the brick. I honestly don't think it would have been a problem for normal use.
I exchanged some emails with Gury about this and he's building me another power supply with a built-in cooling fan and a custom PCB so I can pull a steady 500W's over an extended time range if I need it without thermal shutdown. I have no idea if he plans to make it an order-able option. I'm paying about the cost of his top brick for this custom work.
I had ordered his 1 down from max brick originally, but over long time stress tests it got too hot and would thermal shut down. I temporarily fixed this by throwing some heat sinks and a fan on the brick. I honestly don't think it would have been a problem for normal use.
I exchanged some emails with Gury about this and he's building me another power supply with a built-in cooling fan and a custom PCB so I can pull a steady 500W's over an extended time range if I need it without thermal shutdown. I have no idea if he plans to make it an order-able option. I'm paying about the cost of his top brick for this custom work.
Quick update, I've ordered some additional fans and I'm going to experiment with replacing the GPU fans with full size Noctua fans, looks like a 120mm and a 92mm will fit. I've also ordered some of their high static pressure industrial fans to see how bad the noise is for the cooling, and a 140mm to try just that on the GPU.
I am considering replacing the default TIM with liquid metal but I am not at all confident in my ability to do it without screwing up. We'll see.
Anyway, gear arrives this weekend with the industrial fans on Tuesday, so I should get some results this week.
I am considering replacing the default TIM with liquid metal but I am not at all confident in my ability to do it without screwing up. We'll see.
Anyway, gear arrives this weekend with the industrial fans on Tuesday, so I should get some results this week.
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Another update, some of the fans have come in, but more expected next week.
I did do a test fitting using a spare 120x120x25 fan to replace the CPU cooler fan, and if I move the 2 USB connectors that I added, and trim off the corners, I can replace the 92x92x15 with it, which should help with my CPU temps. I won't be doing any testing until I get all the fans installed as I have the 1080TI apart right now.
Ceski's advice was great, it's definitely a tight fit. I've ordered a bunch of 80x80x15s, 92x92x15s and some 50x50x10s for some flexibility in maximizing space. I test fit the 120x120x15 noctua fan and it fits, but there is a lot of overhang. I'm thinking I'd need to offset the fan so that I get the most high pressure air over the fins.
I am not looking forward to all this testing...
I did do a test fitting using a spare 120x120x25 fan to replace the CPU cooler fan, and if I move the 2 USB connectors that I added, and trim off the corners, I can replace the 92x92x15 with it, which should help with my CPU temps. I won't be doing any testing until I get all the fans installed as I have the 1080TI apart right now.
Ceski's advice was great, it's definitely a tight fit. I've ordered a bunch of 80x80x15s, 92x92x15s and some 50x50x10s for some flexibility in maximizing space. I test fit the 120x120x15 noctua fan and it fits, but there is a lot of overhang. I'm thinking I'd need to offset the fan so that I get the most high pressure air over the fins.
I am not looking forward to all this testing...
Well I think all the fans are in. I also ordered some new thermal paste which I'll use once I get the best performing fans for me (basically my noise tolerance to performance).
Here's the list of what I purchased finally for testing.
I have also decided to try to record the audio from both the CPU side and the GPU side as I do testing, capturing my performance results as well and post it up on YouTube. We'll see how much patience I have for it. Note this will not be a scientific analysis, I don't have the gear or the time, but maybe some audio comparisons might help someone else.
And finally, here is a picture of my dining room table. I ordered duplicates of the fans in case some of my modding ends up making the fan useless (and you can never have too many fans).
Here's the list of what I purchased finally for testing.
I have also decided to try to record the audio from both the CPU side and the GPU side as I do testing, capturing my performance results as well and post it up on YouTube. We'll see how much patience I have for it. Note this will not be a scientific analysis, I don't have the gear or the time, but maybe some audio comparisons might help someone else.
And finally, here is a picture of my dining room table. I ordered duplicates of the fans in case some of my modding ends up making the fan useless (and you can never have too many fans).
Here's another update. I have completed modding all the 120mmx25mm fans for the CPU. I don't need to mod the fans for the GPU. I used my dremel for the mods.
My audio gear for recording came in as well, so I'll start testing this weekend. First, some pictures.
Here's the first fan I did, the Corsair, you will note I took off all the 4 corners, that was because I needed to reduce the height in order to fit, there are some metal pieces on the CPU cooler that add 1-2 mm.
Here's the metal I am referring to.
Then I had a better idea and I removed the metal pieces, they are just held on with a single screw. Here is the cooler with them removed, nice and even.
So now that I don't need to deal with this, I can limit the mods to just the 2 corners on the bottom next to the back of the case. This is where the motherboard IO components interfere with a flush mount. Here's the Kingwin fan.
Here's the EVGA, it has a unique top structure so including pics of top and bottom for it. Will be interesting to see if this allows better air flow.
Here's the F-12 Noctua.
Here's the industrial Noctua.
Here's the 63CFM Gentle Typhoon.
And here is the 58CFM Gentle Typhoon (really the Darkside version with the black blades).
My audio gear for recording came in as well, so I'll start testing this weekend. First, some pictures.
Here's the first fan I did, the Corsair, you will note I took off all the 4 corners, that was because I needed to reduce the height in order to fit, there are some metal pieces on the CPU cooler that add 1-2 mm.
Here's the metal I am referring to.
Then I had a better idea and I removed the metal pieces, they are just held on with a single screw. Here is the cooler with them removed, nice and even.
So now that I don't need to deal with this, I can limit the mods to just the 2 corners on the bottom next to the back of the case. This is where the motherboard IO components interfere with a flush mount. Here's the Kingwin fan.
Here's the EVGA, it has a unique top structure so including pics of top and bottom for it. Will be interesting to see if this allows better air flow.
Here's the F-12 Noctua.
Here's the industrial Noctua.
Here's the 63CFM Gentle Typhoon.
And here is the 58CFM Gentle Typhoon (really the Darkside version with the black blades).
I also removed the fans from the GPU. Here's a few pics. Note that the surface isn't even, which is a pain.
Here's a close up to better see the top surface.
Here's a close up to better see the top surface.
+1 for the GTs.
You may want to remove the fan mounting brackets from the heatsink as it will block a lot of airflow!
You may want to remove the fan mounting brackets from the heatsink as it will block a lot of airflow!
I couldn't find an easy was to remove them, I think they are riveted in or something. If the temps suck then I'll look into it for sure.
Ok, started testing with the Corsair and ran into a problem, the damn motherboard only supports PWM, not voltage control. So, I can only use PWM fans.
On the plus side, I found a way to get a full 120x120x25mm fan on the GPU! At the very end there is enough flex on the card to give me clearance. So I'm doing a test right now with a Gentle Typhoon on the GPU (and 2 50x50x10mm fans since I had the room near the back), and right now I'm sitting at 80C at 65% fan speed. Need to give it more soak time so I expect it will go up a bit. No custom fan curves, will play with that after I replace the TIM on the GPU (fans first, then test different TIM, then custom curve).
On the CPU, now that I have a PWM fan in place (have the Noctua F12 right now), CPU is at 83, so not at ALL happy about that.
On the plus side, I found a way to get a full 120x120x25mm fan on the GPU! At the very end there is enough flex on the card to give me clearance. So I'm doing a test right now with a Gentle Typhoon on the GPU (and 2 50x50x10mm fans since I had the room near the back), and right now I'm sitting at 80C at 65% fan speed. Need to give it more soak time so I expect it will go up a bit. No custom fan curves, will play with that after I replace the TIM on the GPU (fans first, then test different TIM, then custom curve).
On the CPU, now that I have a PWM fan in place (have the Noctua F12 right now), CPU is at 83, so not at ALL happy about that.
Killed the CPU stress test, left the GPU going to see how hot it gets.
The Noctua just isn't pushing enough air. I was really hoping it could do the trick as it is not unpleasant to hear when at max.
The Noctua just isn't pushing enough air. I was really hoping it could do the trick as it is not unpleasant to hear when at max.
Forgot to mention that the GPU core clock is a steady 1810. So if I can see this long term I'm pretty happy with a GT on the GPU. I'll need to see how much the 2 50's are helping eventually.
I'll still be doing the other tests for comparison on the GPU (15mm fans, different 25mm fans, etc). Just good to know that when I get fed up I have at least 1 combo I like on the system
I'll still be doing the other tests for comparison on the GPU (15mm fans, different 25mm fans, etc). Just good to know that when I get fed up I have at least 1 combo I like on the system
Picked up a small converter of PWM to voltage, so I can still try the 3pin fans. Also ordered 5 more 120mm PWM fans, different models than I have now.
GPU temp, clocks and fan speed haven't budged (80, 1810, 65%) so going to try another CPU fan. Will focus on CPU fans for now until I get something that can keep my temps low enough.
GPU temp, clocks and fan speed haven't budged (80, 1810, 65%) so going to try another CPU fan. Will focus on CPU fans for now until I get something that can keep my temps low enough.
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