Thanks for the input, there is a ton of seemingly conflicting temperature data on both of these cards. Maybe there is something wrong with the one I got. What temps have you typically seen in the mini?
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Thanks for the input, there is a ton of seemingly conflicting temperature data on both of these cards. Maybe there is something wrong with the one I got. What temps have you typically seen in the mini?
I second Josh on this point. The SC costs more, has higher boost clocks (bad if you're trying to use a PicoPSU like me).
Then again, once I receive my 330W brick and HDplex 160W, I'll see what happens....
I am sure this is another reason why you feel the EVGA 1060 is a good S4 pairing since you could remove the shroud and fan and use a preferred alternative if so desired.
I guffawed...
I just picked up an open box 1060 SC from Amazon for pretty cheap. I will compare the two cards this weekend.
One is a block of aluminum, the other is a heatpipe cooler. It may not directly contact other parts of the cards, but if the GPU is cooler, then it won't be heating up the rest of the card as much, so it will have an indirect effect on the temps of the card as a whole. I mean its only $10 extra for a much improved cooling solution over the stock version.
I don't think it's necessary, but i think it would help keep the card cooler at reduced noise levels.
Hey guys,
I was looking for other powerbricks that I could use with the HDPLEX 300; the ones I found were around $105-$120. I found this one on Newegg for a much more reasonable price, won't this work just the same as the one that Josh recommends on the NFC page?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...re=330W_AC_Adapter-_-9SIA3AN3PC2432-_-Product
Edit: It's got the same product code, so isn't it the same one?
I was looking for other powerbricks that I could use with the HDPLEX 300; the ones I found were around $105-$120. I found this one on Newegg for a much more reasonable price, won't this work just the same as the one that Josh recommends on the NFC page?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...re=330W_AC_Adapter-_-9SIA3AN3PC2432-_-Product
Edit: It's got the same product code, so isn't it the same one?
Dude holy crap, thats the Dell 330W that everyones been buying off Amazon for 105$ USD... on Newegg for $80 USD!
Yo @Tek Everything here you go bro, snatch it!
Hmmm... The seller appears to repackage some used items as new ones according the the reviews. This is probably one of the Ebay sellers, but you could at least return it to Newegg if it didn't work.
Price was too good to pass up ( hopefully not too good to be true) but using Paypal, purchasing on Newegg, and having Google purchase protection means I will not be left holding my **** and a bad AC adapter.
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@Tek Everything
I'm happy to trade you a SC for a non SC if you want to go that route. I am working on a project now and I need the lighter heatsink.
I'm happy to trade you a SC for a non SC if you want to go that route. I am working on a project now and I need the lighter heatsink.
It looks like Ryzen is going to be a combo of 95w and 65w TDP parts. Though they are all unlocked, so i'm sure you could take a 65w TDP CPU and undervolt/underclock it to fit a lower thermal envelope.
Now we just need to see some more ITX AM4 boards.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-lineup-pricing-confirmed-8-cores-low-320/
The leak is from a retailer that apparently has a long history of getting AMD CPU product information up before official launches with accurate information.
Prices are up too. Most expensive part is $500, with the 65w 8c/16t r7 coming in at $320. That's the same price i was going to pay for an i7-7700t from newegg.
Now we just need to see some more ITX AM4 boards.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-lineup-pricing-confirmed-8-cores-low-320/
The leak is from a retailer that apparently has a long history of getting AMD CPU product information up before official launches with accurate information.
Prices are up too. Most expensive part is $500, with the 65w 8c/16t r7 coming in at $320. That's the same price i was going to pay for an i7-7700t from newegg.
@Josh | NFC That would have worked but I already ordered the SC with one day shipping so it will be here tomorrow.
Yesterday I got the KFA2 GTX 1070 mini. I cannot compare with the ones from other vendors as I never saw one (beside in pictures) but this one is a perfect fit for the S4 mini:
There is plenty of room for cable management, fans, etc. It can get very hot as Josh says (especially if you do not want to have the fans at 100%). At the moment I have set the OC tool to target 71 - 73 ºC. With this setting it is very quiet and I was able to max out all the games I have. I will continue testing though I agree with Josh that the 1070 back gets very hot and I am considering adding a 120mm Scythe in the back, probably one with low-intermediate rpm for the noise.
There is plenty of room for cable management, fans, etc. It can get very hot as Josh says (especially if you do not want to have the fans at 100%). At the moment I have set the OC tool to target 71 - 73 ºC. With this setting it is very quiet and I was able to max out all the games I have. I will continue testing though I agree with Josh that the 1070 back gets very hot and I am considering adding a 120mm Scythe in the back, probably one with low-intermediate rpm for the noise.
@NotungX congrats! Does the card have semi-passive mode (the fans turning off under a certain temp, basically when idle)? If not, what is the lowest possible fan speed you can set manually (both in % and rpm)?
@Zerofool I did not manage to get the fans off, so I am not sure it is possible. The tool that KFA has for OC (http://www.kfa2.com/kfa2/xtreme-tuner-plus) does not display the RPMs but the silent mode is configured to 30% which is the minimum you can set.
In the settings panel there is a custom setting where it seems you can set the fan speed to as low as 15% under certain temps. However it always stays at least on 30%.
It is still very silent though and in my case I will only use this mini for gaming. If you want a completely silent PC maybe this is not the best option. I can make some tests recordings if you want, just let me know an android app I can use or something else for reference.
In the settings panel there is a custom setting where it seems you can set the fan speed to as low as 15% under certain temps. However it always stays at least on 30%.
It is still very silent though and in my case I will only use this mini for gaming. If you want a completely silent PC maybe this is not the best option. I can make some tests recordings if you want, just let me know an android app I can use or something else for reference.
@NotungX thanks for checking. You can see the actual rpm of the fan with other tools like GPU-Z, MSI Afterburner (yes, it works with boards from any brand and you can create a custom fan curve) and the likes of AIDA64, HWiNFO, etc.
Thank you for offering to make a sound recording, but this won't be necessary (for me at least), I'll trust your judgement.
Thank you for offering to make a sound recording, but this won't be necessary (for me at least), I'll trust your judgement.
So I got my Z270i in yesterday... I couldn't help myself so here's an album of pics showing what I did below:
Here's the fun part: I have no GPU or chassis yet, but I REALLY wanted to test out the amazing M.2 boot times and run some benchmakrs on my 7700K, pre-delid. So I unplugged the 24-pin and 8-pin CPU power from my current Full Tower PC and propped up the STRIX with cardboard, plugged in a mouse/keyboard/LAN/USB boot drive with W10 and installed W10! Boy does it boot fast! I can get from the power button to my desktop in 22 seconds with autologin enabled! I can probably speed it up with a few tweaks to BIOS options but I've yet to try them.
COOL DISCOVERY: In the BIOS, I discovered that the Negative AVX offset option was in fact in the BIOS, whoever reported that it was missing seemed to be wrong. This will allow for a higher final Overclock by applying a 1 or 2 negative AVX offset.
Neat Performance discovery: My Corsair DDR4-4000 is stable at 4000MHz XMP. And my 7700K is stable at 4.8/4.9 and 5GHz with no AVX offset, but gets to 90c VERY FAST if over 1.30volts when stress testing it with a custom x264 16T Loop, ROG Realbench, and Prime94 v27.9, Linpack (a custom XTU load) & other stability testing programs and setup from this Kaby Lake Overclock.net thread, I'm going to do some more temperature testing today, reapply my thermal paste and see if it was that, swap back to the stock NH-L9i fan and see if it helps... so I can get some stable stock and OC temperature readings, before I delid, cuz I can't go back from a delild to compare temps. I suspect that the small cooler and limited space is to blame for the high temperatures, even with the scythe at 100% 2000RPMs. So I might absolutely have to delid if I'm going to run this thing at 5GHz below 90c with such a small cooler and once it's in the S4, too.
- To avoid posting a ton of photos... It's beautiful! The RGB LEDs on the side are truly a sight to behold. Once I installed ASUS AURA, the HUGE number of RGB effects was overwhelming and awesome, I stuck with the default Rainbow effect though).
- I installed the Intel 600p 250GB into the top M.2 (this M.2 is TINY even though it's full size, I compared it next to the 7700K)
- I carefully used blue painters tape to cover my LPX Vengeance DDR4-4000 PCBs
- then I plastidipped the red heatspreaders to black 4 coats, with surprising results
- I installed the i7-7700K, used Noctua's thermal grease that came with the NH-l9i
- Installed the NH-L9i with the default fan (didnt power it on to test temps, but the heatsink/fan fit perfectly.)
- Swapped out the default Noctua Fan with the Scythe 100x12mm slim fan (it doesn't really fit inside the z270i STRIX and pushes at the RAM stick closest to the CPU socket)
- I sprayed the scythe's wires with black vinyl dye and it looked amazing. once installed, alongside the black Scythe and the black DDR Heatspreaders
- Installed windows, any necessary drivers from the ASUS site for the mobo, and ran some benchmarks, holy crap it flies but the CPU get HOT FAST! Will definitely delid after running it in my S4mini after it's here and the PC is all built.
Here's the fun part: I have no GPU or chassis yet, but I REALLY wanted to test out the amazing M.2 boot times and run some benchmakrs on my 7700K, pre-delid. So I unplugged the 24-pin and 8-pin CPU power from my current Full Tower PC and propped up the STRIX with cardboard, plugged in a mouse/keyboard/LAN/USB boot drive with W10 and installed W10! Boy does it boot fast! I can get from the power button to my desktop in 22 seconds with autologin enabled! I can probably speed it up with a few tweaks to BIOS options but I've yet to try them.
COOL DISCOVERY: In the BIOS, I discovered that the Negative AVX offset option was in fact in the BIOS, whoever reported that it was missing seemed to be wrong. This will allow for a higher final Overclock by applying a 1 or 2 negative AVX offset.
Neat Performance discovery: My Corsair DDR4-4000 is stable at 4000MHz XMP. And my 7700K is stable at 4.8/4.9 and 5GHz with no AVX offset, but gets to 90c VERY FAST if over 1.30volts when stress testing it with a custom x264 16T Loop, ROG Realbench, and Prime94 v27.9, Linpack (a custom XTU load) & other stability testing programs and setup from this Kaby Lake Overclock.net thread, I'm going to do some more temperature testing today, reapply my thermal paste and see if it was that, swap back to the stock NH-L9i fan and see if it helps... so I can get some stable stock and OC temperature readings, before I delid, cuz I can't go back from a delild to compare temps. I suspect that the small cooler and limited space is to blame for the high temperatures, even with the scythe at 100% 2000RPMs. So I might absolutely have to delid if I'm going to run this thing at 5GHz below 90c with such a small cooler and once it's in the S4, too.
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Looks like it will be a nice build. However running a 7700K, OC'd, with an NH-L9i, and 1080 in a mini seems like it will be problematic.
