Production Lazer3D LZ7 - Quiet Gaming Cube PC Case

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Any news on the fan filter side?

I've not got hold of any other dust filter brands to compare yet, I will try and get something done this week.

How much extra noise (subjectively) is there going from filtered GPU side panel to slotted GPU side panel?
This is the last thing I need to decide on before placing an order. Get a better OC with slotted vents or go for silence with the dust filter (+ potential to swap to fan grill)

As you say its quite subjective and there are so many factors which will determine the noise from the GPU fan!

The slotted version allows more cool air into the GPU, so it runs cooler and therefore the fan can spin slower, or you have more cooling headroom to play with if you want to overclock.

The Dust filter does restrict the airflow into the GPU slightly and so your fan has to work harder to keep the same temperature, but the added benefit is that you are preventing dust ingress.

Now, the major difference between the slots and dust filter is turbulence. The fine mesh of a dust filter is quieter than slots because the air moves through the mesh as a single block of slower moving air. With slots, the fan blades pass by each slot/bar and hit the faster moving streams of air like waves which can amplify the sound of the fan, this is effect is amplified exponentially the faster the fan spins, i.e at low fan speeds you will not notice a difference (less than 1000 rpm), but higher speeds you will (greater than 1500 rpm).

From the testing I've done with the GTX 1070 ITX (may be different with other GPU models) there isn't a huge difference in fan noise when you set the fan profile to silent, this is mostly because the fan only needs to run around 1550 rpm to stay under its thermal limit while under load.

I found that with the dust filter on the fan runs around 1600 rpm while gaming, and with the slot configuration the fan runs around 1530 rpm while gaming. The Dust filter setup is slightly quieter at these speeds, but the dust filter boost clock was a couple of percent lower than with slots. Its worth noting that with both setups the GTX 1070 boost speed was stable at above its stock boost (1721 Mhz) speed achieving in the region of 1780 - 1850 Mhz.

VIDEO UPDATE
I visited my brother over the weekend who will be doing some YouTube videos of the case, they aren't Hollywood style big budget productions! But just some fairly low key videos to hopefully give you guys more information about the case. We attempted to try and show how quiet the case can be while gaming, not sure how well it will come across in the final video.

Here is a sneak peak behind the scenes of the video:




You can see the microphone next to the GPU panel we were using in the following photo, the game on screen is Star Citizen running maxed out settings in 2560 x 1080, and on the right is my bro (Kiblams):


I also just discovered that there are no shipping rates available for Canada though since I live close to the border, I can ship to the US and pick it up from a package receiving place.

Sorry about that, I thought Canada was included in the shipping options. I've added it now so you should be able to select your own address. Its a bit more expensive to ship to Canada than the US though!
 

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Two Prolimatech Ultra Sleek Vortex 14 fans have arrived in anticipation of the LZ7 case. I'm going to use these, along with 140mm mesh fan filters I found on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PVC-PC-Fan-...uter-Mesh-80mm-92mm-120mm-140mm-/171975367653



It looks a lot like the stuff used in the more recent revisions of the Ncase M1, but this is PVC so non-metallic. The fans use the 120mm screw holes and these use the 140mm, I'll see how it turns out. A vandal switch is also on its way from Hong Kong. Now all I need is hardware to go inside... Oh and the case ofcourse :D
 

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Thanks for the updates on the noise. I've put my order in and now it's time to find a vandal switch to match orange accents. Do we not get an order confirmation e-mail sent to the e-mail we used for ordering?

I'm actually glad this won't be shipping for awhile because I don't plan to update my system until Kaby Lake and Volta (or maybe Pascal refresh). It'd be a shame to receive the case early and let it sit unassembled.
 
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Do we not get an order confirmation e-mail sent to the e-mail we used for ordering?

You should get an order confirmation email, your order has been recieved on the system. I will have a look at the settings. Has anybody else not received a confirmation?

I've put my order in and now it's time to find a vandal switch to match orange accents.

Woohoo!!! Ordered mine!

Thanks allot!
 

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You should get an order confirmation email, your order has been recieved on the system. I will have a look at the settings. Has anybody else not received a confirmation?
Mine arrived correctly the same minute I ordered, so on my end it works correctly.
 
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You should get an order confirmation email, your order has been recieved on the system. I will have a look at the settings. Has anybody else not received a confirmation?

It took a little while but I got my confirmation e-mail an hour or so afterwards.
 

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MINI UPDATE
Just a quick post to keep you updated on the progress. I've updated the first post of this thread with the latest information.

THANK YOU
First up thank you to everyone who has ordered the case so far, I can't wait for you guys to get your cases!

CASE VIDEO
My brother has been working on the case video which will hopefully be ready soon, I'll post a link once its up.

INSTRUCTIONS
The manual is almost complete, just a few last images to add. I'll post a link to them once the draft is ready for your feedback before I print them.

COMPATIBILITY
The website has been updated with some more detailed clearance information to help you plan out which components to choose, here are some diagrams:





 

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Excellent documentation so far, keep up the good work ! I can't wait to start the build !
 

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CASE VIDEO
My brother has been working on the case video which will hopefully be ready soon, I'll post a link once its up.

Don't know how professionally your brother is doing this, but please remind him to disclose his affiliation with you if this video is in the form of a review. There's a lot of (rightful) fuss about non-disclosed paid reviews in the games industry right now, staying away from that as far as possible seems like a good idea.
 
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Don't know how professionally your brother is doing this, but please remind him to disclose his affiliation with you if this video is in the form of a review. There's a lot of (rightful) fuss about non-disclosed paid reviews in the games industry right now, staying away from that as far as possible seems like a good idea.
Yep, he's put a big fat disclaimer near the beginning of the video!
 
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Apologies in advance for the long post!


I’ve had the opportunity to get my hands on some different components to test inside the LZ7, here is the specification of the test system:
  • LZ7 v0.1 Prototype Case
  • Gigabyte Z170N WiFi
  • Intel i7-6700
  • Noctua NH-L9i
  • EVGA GTX 1070 SC 6Gb ITX
  • 16Gb DDR4 2400MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX
  • Samsung PM961 M.2 PCIe 256Gb SSD
  • SF450 Corsair SFX PSU
  • Silverstone 150x140x13mm System Fan
If your interested in how they performed and my thoughts on the EVGA GTX 1060 SC along with temps and noise results, then read on!


INTRODUCTION
There are a few differences with this setup compared to previous tests, most notably the CPU and GPU. The system tested today uses a higher powered Intel Core i7-6700 compared to the i5-6500 used in previous testing, but a lower powered NVidia GTX 1060 graphics card compared the previously tested GTX 1070.

Below you can see the EVGA GTX 1060 is actually similar in length to the Gigabyte GTX 960 4Gb OC (length 181mm), and not the 173mm which EVGA claim, this is due to their shroud being longer than the PCB by 10mm:

For cooling a low profile Noctua NH-L9i has been used for the CPU in contrast to the Scythe Big Shuriken 2 used with the lower powered i5 previously, so it will be interesting to see how the smaller Noctua holds up with this more potent processor.

For system cooling a Silverstone FW141 150mm x 140mm slim fan was used (with 120mm mounting holes), it pushed a really good amount of air through the system, you could feel a nice cool breeze coming out the vents while the computer was idling even with a fan speed of less than 500rpm. This fan wasn’t the quietest I’ve tested, but it has done a great job of keeping the system temps low by moving allot of air. The high airflow meant the fan could run at lower RPMs throughout stress testing with standard fan curves and therefore keeping reasonably quiet.


A fan guard was used to cover the 140mm system fan, and the slanted slot configuration side panel was selected for the GPU side.

TEST SETUP
To test the overall system performance Prime95 was used across all 8 of the i7-6700 threads, this was left for half an hour and the results were recorded, Unigine Valley was then started running side by side with Prime95 set to max graphics at 1080p for a further half hour and the results recorded again. An overclock was then applied to the GPU under the same Prime95 and Unigine test conditions for a further half hour. The final test was then to run Unigine Valley only with the GPU at its default settings.

My main focus is being able to run a powerful system quietly, so my preference is usually lower fan speeds at the expense of an extra few degrees component temps.


RESULTS
Here are the results from the testing:


CPU AND SYSTEM PERFORMANCE
At idle the system ran very quiet with just a faint hum from the Silverstone system fan and temperatures were down in the 20s (Celcius) for both the CPU and System, just a couple of degrees above the ambient temp of 21C.

During full CPU load the Noctua cooler was the loudest component in the case as you would expect running at 2,370 rpm (91% fan speed) and keeping the i7-6700 under a respectable 68C throughout the whole stress test. This fan speed could probably be lowered slightly to reduce noise if you don’t mind an extra few degrees CPU temp. It is worth noting that Prime95 is a worst case scenario and not representative of real world application usage such as gaming where you will likely see lower temps.

GPU PERFORMANCE
Starting the GPU stress test did not have much affect on the CPU temps, which shows the 360 degree GPU ventilation does its intended job well venting most of the GPU exhaust heat straight out the case. System temps rose by 3C during the GPU stressing, but overall the system temps still managed to stay under 38C.

In terms of GPU performance the EVGA GTX 1060 SC 6Gb is truly an excellent card, it maintained a very reasonable temp of around 75C at full boost and above without breaking a sweat.

The GPU fan maxed out at 1093 RPM under default settings (42% fan speed), at this fan speed the GPU is barely audible. This is a great achievement in itself, but if you take into account the automatic (default) overclock this card is running at you can see it’s even more impressive.

CLOCK SPEEDS
The EVGA GTX 1060 maintained a boost clock speed of 1923 Mhz throughout the duration of testing under default settings, this is well above its default base clock of 1607 Mhz and 88 Mhz above its advertised Boost clock.

In the second part of the GPU stress testing an overclock of 122 Mhz was applied to the base clock which resulted in a stable boost clock of 2037 Mhz, increasing beyond this resulted in crashing. The extra heat from the overclock pushed the GPU temp up by 1C and the fan speed rose to 1175 RPM to compensate (45% fan speed), again the GPU is still barely audible at these fan speeds.

The 2037 Mhz overclock was reached without adjusting any voltages or power limits, so an OC above 122 Mhz may be achievable if you wanted to experiment properly.

CONCLUSION
Using a CPU with a TDP up to 65W can be cooled with relative ease inside the LZ7 when using an appropriate CPU cooler and system fan.

Specifically with the Noctua NH-L9i, an Intel Core i7-6700 (65W TDP) is probably the limit of what this CPU cooler can sensibly handle, upgrading to something like the Cryorig C7 cooler will likely give lower noise and temps.

It is not yet known how well an unlocked (K) processor will perform with their higher TDPs, although previous testing has shown that larger coolers with 120mm fans such as the Scythe Big Shuriken 2 performs very well, capable of keeping an i5-6500 under 52C silently. The Shuriken 2 will likely give you the best chance of running these types of high TDP unlocked CPUs.

GPU wise the LZ7 can comfortably cool a GTX 1060 with room for some overclocking. I whole heartedly recommend the EVGA GTX 1060 SC 6Gb, the cooling in this card is outstanding resulting in very quiet operation even at full load, an excellent match for the LZ7!
 

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Very nice work ! I'm following this thread closely for build info and a GPU is still one thing I'm not sure on.

Are you still set to ship the prototype/pre-order early december ?
 

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Are you still set to ship the prototype/pre-order early december ?

At the moment yes, the 2 big things left for me to sort out is to finish the instruction manual and to finalise packaging.

In order to figure out the packaging I need a full set of final parts complete with protection layers which will determine the final box size, I have an idea of how big it will be but it just needs confirming.

The panel manufacturer sent some samples to the wrong address (why would you do that?!), which has delayed them by around a week for sending me the 30 sets of production panels. I was hoping to have them this week/early next week. But even with this delay there should still be enough time for me to meet early December shipping, I will update on here if anything changes.

On the positive side, I've already received all the corner pieces in all the colours and combinations ordered so far, as well as all the IO panels, screws, feet and various other accessories.

I've also carried out some comparative testing with some different dust filters including a plain metal Akasa model which looks and performs better than the Silverstone model, I will post the results shortly. I've ordered a batch of these for the ones I will supply with the case.

In summary, everything is progressing well for shipping early December.