Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

Increase volume from 9.8L to 10.5L to support MSI Suprim X 30XX?

  • Yes, worth the trade off to be more compatible with components

    Votes: 69 20.2%
  • No, not worth it b/c it is not better than the ROG 30XX, which fits now at <10L

    Votes: 273 79.8%

  • Total voters
    342

Wahaha360

a.k.a W360
Original poster
SFFLAB
NCASE
SSUPD
Feb 23, 2015
1,929
9,547
Priority for 2.0 will be after testers receive cases, and AFAIK, even that hasn't happened yet.



Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
 
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ellroy80

SFF Lingo Aficionado
Jun 7, 2020
94
97


Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
Crossing my fingers that the next batch is much better! This NR200 currently on my desk is massive!
 

Navic

Master of Cramming
Jan 6, 2019
511
1,188


Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
That's... insae. I can't imagine how much money was probably lost from all of that, but I'm glad you care about quality!

Also, what a chad move man lmao, "if the end product is trash, we recycle trash." Sounds like something GamersNexus would say to a shitty company lmao
 

PKAWA

Master of Cramming
May 27, 2020
454
447


Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
Thanks for this unique look behind the scenes. I can really appreciate the transparency.
If this doesn't set them straight nothing will.
 
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SoSquidTaste

SFF Lingo Aficionado
Feb 26, 2018
104
162
What about black paint diluted with water ? By taking care of not filling holes. Cerakote is very expensive.

Too true, and turnaround time can be tricky depending on your shop. Over at /r/FormD there have been a bunch of different posts with users' paint experiences.

@Fhiko: This post demonstrates an interesting paint that comes in black-- although the referenced post ran an army green-- and appears to finish very, very well on the mesh. Might be worth a look. Then again, I feel like plain ol' spraypaint might work just as well if you do multiple light coats.
 

lys1030

Trash Compacter
Nov 8, 2020
42
67
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Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
If there's a way to purchase defected ones at a lower price, I'd be interested, since I usually mod the cases anyways. And this also helps with the environment.
 

SaltyMemeBoy

Cable Smoosher
Aug 10, 2021
8
25


Since a bunch of people have asked about the August batch, wanted to give an update - we basically crushed and recycled them to reinforce quality control expectation to our suppliers. If the end product is trash, we recycle trash.

So let’s see how much better this batch is.
I’m a bit surprised and disappointed to see that you just threw everything out and didn’t use what you had to start the beta testing process. Why not just send cases to testers with the disclaimer that you’re working on improving quality control? At the very least they’d be able to give you feedback on the new features of the case at a basic level.

In my opinion, you have bigger problems to solve right now than quality control minutia in what was supposed to be a preliminary test batch of cases anyway. Your website is essentially useless and has been for months, your release date for this case is obviously a moving target (I would be shocked to see general availability before the end of November), and worst of all, people who follow the development of this case religiously still only have a vague idea what they’re even waiting for. Why not take a weekend to just fix your website and create a product page with enough info to bring people into the loop just a little bit? It doesn’t have to be perfect. All I and many others have been asking for is that it just exist at all.

Whether you’re aware of this or not, you’ve built up a lot of frustration among your own supporters based on problems which shouldn’t be too difficult to solve. Just look at any recent update or order alert post on the FormD subreddit. People are just confused about what’s to come, and even for what’s already available, newcomers basically have to learn by word of mouth how to even have a chance of buying a case.

Kindly, you really need to find a better way to interface with your customers than this forum and whatever drippings make their way to the subreddit which is already managed almost entirely by people who aren’t you.
 

ellroy80

SFF Lingo Aficionado
Jun 7, 2020
94
97
I understand your frustration. However, this case will be cloned as soon as it hits the market. Therefore, I suspect Wahaha360 wants to keep his cards close to his chest for as long as possible so that someone can't duplicate it before it's even released. I'm sure he'll release more details when he's ready to.
 

Exist50

Minimal Tinkerer
New User
Feb 25, 2021
4
5
I understand your frustration. However, this case will be cloned as soon as it hits the market. Therefore, I suspect Wahaha360 wants to keep his cards close to his chest for as long as possible so that someone can't duplicate it before it's even released. I'm sure he'll release more details when he's ready to.
We still don't really have a good T1 clone available, so I don't think that's terribly convincing. And the rest of the stuff about communication still applies. If someone new was interested in the case, then to get the full picture, you'd need to point them to 2 different forums and several comments in this thread. And while I'm excited by the features Wahaha360 has been able to fit in, it's undeniably been a moving target, with an effect on the release date. Just makes things difficult if you're not flexible with plans.
 

Wahaha360

a.k.a W360
Original poster
SFFLAB
NCASE
SSUPD
Feb 23, 2015
1,929
9,547
I’m a bit surprised and disappointed to see that you just threw everything out and didn’t use what you had to start the beta testing process. Why not just send cases to testers with the disclaimer that you’re working on improving quality control? At the very least they’d be able to give you feedback on the new features of the case at a basic level.

In my opinion, you have bigger problems to solve right now than quality control minutia in what was supposed to be a preliminary test batch of cases anyway. Your website is essentially useless and has been for months, your release date for this case is obviously a moving target (I would be shocked to see general availability before the end of November), and worst of all, people who follow the development of this case religiously still only have a vague idea what they’re even waiting for. Why not take a weekend to just fix your website and create a product page with enough info to bring people into the loop just a little bit? It doesn’t have to be perfect. All I and many others have been asking for is that it just exist at all.

Whether you’re aware of this or not, you’ve built up a lot of frustration among your own supporters based on problems which shouldn’t be too difficult to solve. Just look at any recent update or order alert post on the FormD subreddit. People are just confused about what’s to come, and even for what’s already available, newcomers basically have to learn by word of mouth how to even have a chance of buying a case.

Kindly, you really need to find a better way to interface with your customers than this forum and whatever drippings make their way to the subreddit which is already managed almost entirely by people who aren’t you.
We still don't really have a good T1 clone available, so I don't think that's terribly convincing. And the rest of the stuff about communication still applies. If someone new was interested in the case, then to get the full picture, you'd need to point them to 2 different forums and several comments in this thread. And while I'm excited by the features Wahaha360 has been able to fit in, it's undeniably been a moving target, with an effect on the release date. Just makes things difficult if you're not flexible with plans.

I'm afraid we can't make everyone happy.

I've said this before, if you need to build now, build now with what you can buy now. Also, if uncertain with this project is creating anxiety for you, just come back later - don't have to follow every update.

We did a major overhaul of the product, so confusion is expected. The alternative is to release a subpar product, which we think is worse.

Also, we are in the interim period between teasers and release, so I understand there are lots of questions. However, once the product is release, it should be much more straight forward.

To avoid further confusion, we plan to say less and just release when ready. That's why the website is closed, because it opening it could easily make the situation worse.
 

ellroy80

SFF Lingo Aficionado
Jun 7, 2020
94
97
We still don't really have a good T1 clone available, so I don't think that's terribly convincing. And the rest of the stuff about communication still applies. If someone new was interested in the case, then to get the full picture, you'd need to point them to 2 different forums and several comments in this thread. And while I'm excited by the features Wahaha360 has been able to fit in, it's undeniably been a moving target, with an effect on the release date. Just makes things difficult if you're not flexible with plans.
Let's just say, 1) I think my argument is convincing, but I'm not going to provide evidence of why, and 2) I think Wahaha360 has put it pretty nicely. If you need to build now, build in another case. That's what I did. My build is currently in an NR200. Its my temporary case until the next version of the T1 is released, because I ultimately want something smaller. However, the T1 isn't the only case that I'm interested in and waiting on to be released, so I might end up with something else entirely. I'm confused by V2.0 of the case as well because I can't imagine the final product, but I have no choice but to wait until Wahaha360 releases more information. I've been waiting for 12 months for this case (or something similar), so waiting a little longer won't make a difference. If other case(s) are released sooner that pique my interest and fit my needs, I'll grab one of those instead.

We're talking a computer case here. Getting one is not a matter of life or death. Just MHO.
 

AlmightyBeing

Chassis Packer
Jul 22, 2021
13
9
I'm afraid we can't make everyone happy.

I've said this before, if you need to build now, build now with what you can buy now. Also, if uncertain with this project is creating anxiety for you, just come back later - don't have to follow every update.

We did a major overhaul of the product, so confusion is expected. The alternative is to release a subpar product, which we think is worse.

Also, we are in the interim period between teasers and release, so I understand there are lots of questions. However, once the product is release, it should be much more straight forward.

To avoid further confusion, we plan to say less and just release when ready. That's why the website is closed, because it opening it could easily make the situation worse.
I understand all of this except for why the website is locked when not available. Why not just put sold out? I often compare case sizes and dimensions when I find a new one I'm considering and it makes it so much harder to have to go searching for the dimensions everytime, even though the website is literally one of the first search results when googling the case. It doesn't make much sense to shut the whole site down, you are still paying for the domain so why not make it useful for potential customers in the meantime?
 

SaltyMemeBoy

Cable Smoosher
Aug 10, 2021
8
25
I'm afraid we can't make everyone happy.

I've said this before, if you need to build now, build now with what you can buy now. Also, if uncertain with this project is creating anxiety for you, just come back later - don't have to follow every update.

We did a major overhaul of the product, so confusion is expected. The alternative is to release a subpar product, which we think is worse.

Also, we are in the interim period between teasers and release, so I understand there are lots of questions. However, once the product is release, it should be much more straight forward.

To avoid further confusion, we plan to say less and just release when ready. That's why the website is closed, because it opening it could easily make the situation worse.
See, here’s the thing. You’ve already released information about the case. It’s out there. So with that, I’m having a difficult time understanding how opening your website could add to confusion.

As it stands, many people who look into your case or even your company for that matter only get partial information from scattered sources. I say this speaking from personal experience and, again, from looking at responses on Reddit or even this very forum. That is where the confusion comes from. It’s not that those of us who have compiled everything you’ve stated in this forum thus far are anxious because what you’ve provided isn’t enough. The issue is that currently we have to verify everything we know about the case by navigating this 700 page behemoth of a thread.

Since there seems to have been some confusion about what I was even asking for earlier, I’ll make it clear here:
Please, please just improve the landing page of your website to include the semi-regular updates that you post here every once in a while. You don’t need to update it regularly or when you don’t have anything to say, it just needs to exist in a place that’s easy to access for everyone. I’d also suggest putting the promotional pictures (which you already have) of the updated case there, maybe an order button that is greyed out with a message “currently unavailable, release date TBD” above it, and ideally a small blurb like the one you just delivered to me about how the case is still under development and you are transitioning from the previous model 1.1 to let people know why most of the site isn’t accessible and availability is uncertain at the moment.

I personally think this is a very reasonable ask, and if anyone here agrees, please leave some sort of reaction on this message so @Wahaha360 can see. If it isn’t reasonable, I’d really like a clearer explanation as to why.
 

Jff007

Efficiency Noob
Aug 9, 2021
6
7
The only "clones" of the T1 I've seen were all significantly larger (and looked a bit lower quality, based on the images).

I'm currently in my DanCase A4 and am happy with it until I can get my hands on the T1 2.0. Based off what we've seen so far, I'm confident it's going to worth the wait.