I'd like to see "1x A12x15 + A12x25 (both push)" and "3x A12x15" added to the comparison. I think the conventional wisdom is that push works better than pull and I know Navic's build went with the former. It'd be nice to see the full picture.Spent a few hours testing my current build. Summary of my setup:
Here are the results:
- Mounted all 3 fans, then (1) disconnect the push-pull fan to simulate 2 slim fans, or (2) disconnect the slim fan PSU side to simulate 1 full + 1slim fan setup
- All fans are exhausting air out of the top, all panels are fully closed
- Results are taken from Cinebench R23 10 min Throttling test, then let the system cooldown between 10-15min for coolant temp to reset (39C)
- For reference my ambient is 28-29C, the Scythe Slipstream fan used is the 2000RPM version, the radiator is Bitspower Leviathan SF240 and A12x15s were shaved off 2mm to fit the case without bulge
Push-pull Coolant temp CPU (Tctl/Tdie) CPU PPT Pump Fans MB side PSU side Over PSU (T_sensor C) (Max C) (Max W) (Max RPM) (Max RPM) A12x13 A12x13 A12x25 44.0 83.0 148.3 2824 1573 Slipstream Slipstream A12x25 44.0 83.3 148.5 2800 1700 A12x13 A12x25 45.0 83.8 148.9 2947 1670 Slipstream A12x25 45.0 84.1 148.9 2934 1804 A12x13 A12x13 46.0 85.3 149.7 3221 1660 Slipstream A12x13 47.0 85.5 150.1 3229 1656 Slipstream Slipstream 48.0 86.3 150.4 3333 1783
Observation:
Conclusion:
- Obvious #1: more fans and bigger fans is better 1 full + 2 slim > 1 full + 1 slim > 2 slim
- Obvious #2: the Scythe fan is no match for the king of slim fan A12x15. each fan loses by 1C in terms of coolant temp
- Not so obvious: the A12x25 is so powerful that it normalises and cancels out any differences between the slim fans - both in 3 fans and 1 full + 1 slim config
@Wahaha360 this is a long way in saying I really want you to make that ultimate SFF rad happen - 17mm core, high FPI & multi-ports
- For best temp, always go 3 fans and the bigger the fan the better - did not have a 3rd A12x15 or a 3rd Slipstream but don't think they will ever be able to match the A12x25
- For balanced temp and convenient, go 1 full + 1 slim fan if you can make sure the slim fan clears the edge of the motherboard
- For slim fans, always go Noctua A12x15 so just stick to 27mm or slimmer rad
the problem is it's not practical for my particular build to do either because:
- 1x A12x15 + A12x25 -> the original A12x15 would hit the edge of the motherboard when I tried it with the EK AIO, now it's literally impossible being 2mm off the intake side
- 3x A12x15 -> the A12x25 is so snug in there I have to basically disassemble the build to replace it with a slim one.
I've had a few thoughts for top mounting brackets.
Currently I'm stacking a couple of the provided brackets to raise my Corsair H60 reservoir up. This is just to clear the fan from the power supply cables.
Has anyone created anything like these? I figure it would be pretty straightforward to cut the metal and bend it.
Currently I'm stacking a couple of the provided brackets to raise my Corsair H60 reservoir up. This is just to clear the fan from the power supply cables.
Has anyone created anything like these? I figure it would be pretty straightforward to cut the metal and bend it.
No not yet. It might work, but if it uses pci4 then no.
It appears that pci4 will not be required for SAM on AMD.
Nvidia meanwhile have stated that Sam will also work on their cards and that they will enable it via a driver update.
They are currently working on it, and will prob only be brought to ampere with pci4.
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Hmm, I believe the current version (not the test shipping batch, but the ones after) allow mounting directly to top panel so that would basically support moving the rad and fan away from the PSU cables.I've had a few thoughts for top mounting brackets.
Currently I'm stacking a couple of the provided brackets to raise my Corsair H60 reservoir up. This is just to clear the fan from the power supply cables.
Has anyone created anything like these? I figure it would be pretty straightforward to cut the metal and bend it.
Thanks for the help, I really need to know this for sure, so if anyone can help out.. Otherwise I will just go Ncase M1.
The bigger problem is a riser cable compatible with amd. This has been discussed already, and it's just not on the market yet.
There are pci4 risers, but tolerances for the AMD cards are different so there is no guaranteed working riser on the market yet.
There are pci4 risers, but tolerances for the AMD cards are different so there is no guaranteed working riser on the market yet.
@Wahaha360
Minor suggestion for any new FormD T1 revisions.
Please create/ship the 3-slot mobo bracket with the ability to do 2.5 or 2.7 slot mode.
The reason for this is that my 3080 is currently using the 3-slot mobo bracket but 2-slot GPU bracket setup and I noticed that my GPU temps are at LEAST 5c cooler at the same fan speeds and undervolt setting. I imagine that having the extra breathing room between the mobo and the GPU allowed the exhaust fans to pull away more heat, especially for the Radeon 6800XT that are at LEAST 2.5 slot size.
Just a suggestion...
Minor suggestion for any new FormD T1 revisions.
Please create/ship the 3-slot mobo bracket with the ability to do 2.5 or 2.7 slot mode.
The reason for this is that my 3080 is currently using the 3-slot mobo bracket but 2-slot GPU bracket setup and I noticed that my GPU temps are at LEAST 5c cooler at the same fan speeds and undervolt setting. I imagine that having the extra breathing room between the mobo and the GPU allowed the exhaust fans to pull away more heat, especially for the Radeon 6800XT that are at LEAST 2.5 slot size.
Just a suggestion...
the is how I have my water-cooled 3090 as well - I mainly did this as my rocket nvme on the backside was getting super hot.
Seems Linkup's Gen4 riser cable works fine with Radeon 6000 series:
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Im swapping the Corsair aio I got to the 120mm EK one on Wednesday or Thursday hopefully. I plan on mounting the radiator to the top panel directly. I’ll take some pics and post them here
Someone has tried it, and while it can fit, if you put any pressure on the side panel whatsoever, it will rub up against the fans. Best to just get a thicker card and put it in 3 slot mode.
got my new setup running and it seems like its feasible to cool a RTX3090 and 3950X with a 360 rad space. Currently using a DDC, but will change out to D5 with my new fittings gets here.
Where's PSU?got my new setup running and it seems like its feasible to cool a RTX3090 and 3950X with a 360 rad space. Currently using a DDC, but will change out to D5 with my new fittings gets here.
Thing is i have an obsession, maybe unhealthy, to not use water cooling in my builds. NH-L12S air cooler is what i am aiming for. I know i just shot myself in the foot with this choice, since it eliminates 99% of GPUs out there.. but well, i'm a patient man.
Does it? Any pictures or posts about this? It would give me a 2nd alternative to the FE.
got my new setup running and it seems like its feasible to cool a RTX3090 and 3950X with a 360 rad space. Currently using a DDC, but will change out to D5 with my new fittings gets here.
Yooooo this is very cool! I think you're using a G unique solution? So with a short block and no SFX PSU you must have fit a nice T H I C C 120mm in there? More specs and pics!
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