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[fabio]

Now we miss only the Koolance CU720! In push/pull beats the GTS!

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[Philtt]

I don't know where I should bring it to get sanded! I would like it though! But soon I am going on holiday, so, I will think again at it beginning of September!

GTS got a primer version which you can do your own paint finish. Not sure if anyone has one to take the width as primer coat is definitely thinner than powder coat finish.

Btw to clarify, the EK matte black soft tube you are using 15.9/9.5? I remember reading you commented using 12.7 zmt which is softer than Alphacool TPV yesterday. However, EK only have 12.7 in Durclear. Smallest ZMT matte black is 15.9. Or issit just 1 of your previous build?

 

[fabio]

GTS got a primer version which you can do your own paint finish. Not sure if anyone has one to take the width as primer coat is definitely thinner than powder coat finish.

Btw to clarify, the EK matte black soft tube you are using 15.9/9.5? I remember reading you commented using 12.7 zmt which is softer than Alphacool TPV yesterday. However, EK only have 12.7 in Durclear. Smallest ZMT matte black is 15.9. Or issit just 1 of your previous build?

I think in that comment I've only said that the ZMT are like the TPV but softer, but never said that the ZMT are 13. If I did, was just a typo.
Nice! For the primer version! Do you know where I can find it? Mine is super smooth though, not really a "powder" coat!
Yes, I using the ZMT, the 10/16.

 

[DrHudacris]

Now we miss only the Koolance CU720! In push/pull beats the GTS!

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That's a great resource, but it's too bad they stopped testing radiators recently. They have the bitspower radiator on there, and it performs slightly worse than GTS, and I think this is because of 12 tubes vs 14. But the koolance is crazy with dense fin structure!

 

[Philtt]

I think in that comment I've only said that the ZMT are like the TPV but softer, but never said that the ZMT are 13. If I did, was just a typo.
Nice! For the primer version! Do you know where I can find it? Mine is super smooth though, not really a "powder" coat!
Yes, I using the ZMT, the 10/16.

Here you go. I think it looks great when fitted into a white T1!

Black Ice Nemesis 240GTS® Ultra Stealth U-Flow Low Profile Radiator - Primer

The Black Ice® Nemesis® 240GTS® scales performance by utilizing low-noise dual sub-800 rpm 120mm fans for even better performance with a reduced noise footprint. This provides casemod enthusiasts with a slim form factor dual fan radiator with the enhanced performance without the acoustic penalties.

www.performance-pcs.com

 

[AgusW]

Here you go. I think it looks great when fitted into a white T1!

Black Ice Nemesis 240GTS® Ultra Stealth U-Flow Low Profile Radiator - Primer

The Black Ice® Nemesis® 240GTS® scales performance by utilizing low-noise dual sub-800 rpm 120mm fans for even better performance with a reduced noise footprint. This provides casemod enthusiasts with a slim form factor dual fan radiator with the enhanced performance without the acoustic penalties.

www.performance-pcs.com

This rad is smaller than 240 gts common? or it is just the same but white?

 

[DrHudacris]

This rad is smaller than 240 gts common? or it is just the same but white?

Only speculated to be less wide, assuming that primer is thinner than whatever coatings are used on the matte black version.

 

[kazuma86]

Here you go. I think it looks great when fitted into a white T1!

Black Ice Nemesis 240GTS® Ultra Stealth U-Flow Low Profile Radiator - Primer

The Black Ice® Nemesis® 240GTS® scales performance by utilizing low-noise dual sub-800 rpm 120mm fans for even better performance with a reduced noise footprint. This provides casemod enthusiasts with a slim form factor dual fan radiator with the enhanced performance without the acoustic penalties.

www.performance-pcs.com

White? You may check this https://id.aliexpress.com/item/32802053804.html

syscooling as240-t 22mm

 

[DrHudacris]

White? You may check this https://id.aliexpress.com/item/32802053804.html

syscooling as240-t 22mm

Be careful with aluminum radiators! When combined with other common metals in blocks and fittings (like copper) you can accelerate corrosion.

 

[Khanele]

Now we miss only the Koolance CU720! In push/pull beats the GTS!

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Was looking at this rad and looks like you might have to use their koolance fittings (for koolance rad) im not for certain but just a heads up

 

[thelaughingman]

I haven’t assembled anything yet but I did just switch over the terminal fitting on my Alphacool GPU block to the SLI terminal. It comes with the GPU block. Here’s a photo of it next to the original fitting, so you can visually compare the two

thanks! this concurs with another member's post where he puts the TPV 90 degree to make the complete rotary fitting - it will not save any height and actually 5mm taller than the EK one. So I'll just get the EK when the time comes (Big Navi comes)

 

[rarskies]

Never said "without a problem".
The 27mm are still the best and the limit.
The TX240 is the best radiator I've tried until now. With 3 slim fans is even better (1/2C).
I am not sure the Bitspower fits like the GTS, or even fits actually.
The GTS is mounted without bracket or screws and push against the side panels.

Hey Fabio, I’m sure you have mentioned this somewhere in the 400+ pages (I have been following for last 150 in detail). I am in the fortunate position of having the xspc tx240, hwlabs gts240 and the alphacool lt240 rad as well as various noctua slim and A12x25s. I have the first two rads from an NCase build.

You say the hwlabs gts240 outperforms the tx240 by a couple of degrees, does the tx240 outperform the lt240 rad?

How is the sound profile affected by having the fans in between the rad and top (like we have to on the tx240 and hwlabs) vs underneath with the lt240 rad? Is the lt240 considerably quieter or much the same?
My case comes in the next week I guess an I am super excited. I’m trying to work out which radiator I should hang on to and which I should sell because it seems the community is really having trouble finding suitable 240 rads at the moment. I’m in Australia for any desperate rad searchers.

 

[kazuma86]

Be careful with aluminum radiators! When combined with other common metals in blocks and fittings (like copper) you can accelerate corrosion.

Wogh, didn't know that.. thank you for your reminder..

 

[DrHudacris]

Hey Fabio, I’m sure you have mentioned this somewhere in the 400+ pages (I have been following for last 150 in detail). I am in the fortunate position of having the xspc tx240, hwlabs gts240 and the alphacool lt240 rad as well as various noctua slim and A12x25s. I have the first two rads from an NCase build.

You say the hwlabs gts240 outperforms the tx240 by a couple of degrees, does the tx240 outperform the lt240 rad?

How is the sound profile affected by having the fans in between the rad and top (like we have to on the tx240 and hwlabs) vs underneath with the lt240 rad? Is the lt240 considerably quieter or much the same?
My case comes in the next week I guess an I am super excited. I’m trying to work out which radiator I should hang on to and which I should sell because it seems the community is really having trouble finding suitable 240 rads at the moment. I’m in Australia for any desperate rad searchers.

The ranking of radiators (best to worse) is currently HWL GTS, TX, EK classic, and last LT240. The LT240 suffers from being thin and low FPI, but definitely easiest to fit.

So comparing fans on top with TX or HWL to fans bottom with LT240, you have to consider that due to better performance, you can run fans slower on the TX and HWL. In my own testing, the fans are a bit louder when between panel and radiator. But at least with noctua slim fans it's a pleasing wind rushing noise (sorry I don't know the technical term for this, but I found it not annoying).

 

[fabio]

The ranking of radiators (best to worse) is currently HWL GTS, TX, EK classic, and last LT240. The LT240 suffers from being thin and low FPI, but definitely easiest to fit.

So comparing fans on top with TX or HWL to fans bottom with LT240, you have to consider that due to better performance, you can run fans slower on the TX and HWL. In my own testing, the fans are a bit louder when between panel and radiator. But at least with noctua slim fans it's a pleasing wind rushing noise (sorry I don't know the technical term for this, but I found it not annoying).

I completely agree on what @DrHudacris said.
My experience though is a bit difference regarding the noise:

If you really want the 25mm fan, it can fits with the TX and the SE/LT, BUT, the 15mm fan, between the MB and the radiator, being so close to the motherboard, makes IMO more noise than being on top between the rad and the panel.

So I prefer to have 2 slims fan against the top panel actually, even if you can hear them above 1200rpm, are more pleasant than the other options.

One more thing: THE best noise profile I got is using the TX with 2 slim profile on top.
Because the rad is only 20.5mm, the fans actually are not against the panel, so there’s no turbolence noise. BUT, I’ve checked yesterday, somehow in this option the hot hair have more difficult to go out.
Removing the top panel allowed me to gain 1/2 C under stress.

I can really recommend in general, the SE and the TX.

But in general, just get a radiator that is 27mm or less. It’s perfect!
People forget that I am using a Titan RTX and a 16 Core CPU, and I am at the limits of the 240 radiators in general. 98% of the people will never see any difference in performance.

 

[x111]

That's awesome @fabio !! I've missed some of this thread recently, and it looks like you've changed your pump and top. Which combo are you using now? (Many apologies if it's been asked already)

after endless hours of search, it looks like he is using

BP-PMCTDDCTPP-BK

Bitspower Premium Magic-Cube Type DDC MOD TOP G1/4

shop.bitspower.com

and

Alphacool ES Laing DDC310 Pump - Single black plastic bottom

Die Alphacool ES Solution Laing DDC310 Pumpe dient als Grundlage für diverse 1 bis 4HE Serverlösungen von Alphacool. Die Basis bildet die bekannte und beliebte Alphacool DDC Pumpe, gepaart mit einem einfachen Pumpenboden, um die...

www.alphacool.com

but I still cannot find what kind of connector is here.
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F255HRzXY%2FIMG-3940.jpg&hash=a830ddaa17f0fed466874bffc1d8aab5

.

 

[rarskies]

The ranking of radiators (best to worse) is currently HWL GTS, TX, EK classic, and last LT240. The LT240 suffers from being thin and low FPI, but definitely easiest to fit.

So comparing fans on top with TX or HWL to fans bottom with LT240, you have to consider that due to better performance, you can run fans slower on the TX and HWL. In my own testing, the fans are a bit louder when between panel and radiator. But at least with noctua slim fans it's a pleasing wind rushing noise (sorry I don't know the technical term for this, but I found it not annoying).

I completely agree on what @DrHudacris said.
My experience though is a bit difference regarding the noise:

If you really want the 25mm fan, it can fits with the TX and the SE/LT, BUT, the 15mm fan, between the MB and the radiator, being so close to the motherboard, makes IMO more noise than being on topo between the rad and the panel.

So I prefer to have 2 slims fan against the top panel actually, even if you can hear them above 1200rpm, are more pleasant than the other options.

One more thing: THE best noise profile I got is using the TX with 2 slim profile on top.
Because the rad is only 20.5mm, the fans actually are not against the panel, so there’s no turbolence noise. BUT, I’ve checked yesterday, somehow is this option the hot hair have more difficult to go out.
Removing the top panel allowed me to gain 1/2 C under stress.

I can really recommend in general, the SE and the TX.

Thank you both for the input, I might just go ahead and sell the lt240 and test out what I prefer between hwlabs + 2slim noctua and tx240 + 2/3 slim noctua. I will wait until my dc-lt 2600 coming from Taobao is confirmed. Also might test with external 280 radiator + 240 to check performance differences.

 

[carrefinho]

after endless hours of search, it looks like he is using

BP-PMCTDDCTPP-BK

Bitspower Premium Magic-Cube Type DDC MOD TOP G1/4

shop.bitspower.com

and

Alphacool ES Laing DDC310 Pump - Single black plastic bottom

Die Alphacool ES Solution Laing DDC310 Pumpe dient als Grundlage für diverse 1 bis 4HE Serverlösungen von Alphacool. Die Basis bildet die bekannte und beliebte Alphacool DDC Pumpe, gepaart mit einem einfachen Pumpenboden, um die...

www.alphacool.com

but I still cannot find what kind of connector is here.
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F255HRzXY%2FIMG-3940.jpg&hash=a830ddaa17f0fed466874bffc1d8aab5

.

Two EK-Quantum Torque Rotary 45 and one EK-AF Extender Rotary M-M in the middle

 

[fabio]

Thank you both for the input, I might just go ahead and sell the lt240 and test out what I prefer between hwlabs + 2slim noctua and tx240 + 2/3 slim noctua. I will wait until my dc-lt 2600 coming from Taobao is confirmed. Also might test with external 280 radiator + 240 to check performance differences.

The Hw labs though is an HIGH restrictive rad, I will never use it with a DC-LT pump

 

[fabio]

after endless hours of search, it looks like he is using

BP-PMCTDDCTPP-BK

Bitspower Premium Magic-Cube Type DDC MOD TOP G1/4

shop.bitspower.com

and

Alphacool ES Laing DDC310 Pump - Single black plastic bottom

Die Alphacool ES Solution Laing DDC310 Pumpe dient als Grundlage für diverse 1 bis 4HE Serverlösungen von Alphacool. Die Basis bildet die bekannte und beliebte Alphacool DDC Pumpe, gepaart mit einem einfachen Pumpenboden, um die...

www.alphacool.com

but I still cannot find what kind of connector is here.
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F255HRzXY%2FIMG-3940.jpg&hash=a830ddaa17f0fed466874bffc1d8aab5

.

Nope; the pump is the DDC 1T Plus PMW.