Production FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

[fabio]

If anyone want to see the minimum size - length for the cables in the flipped orientation... Only the GPU is shorter! And the route of it is in part blocked from the 24 Pin connector on the PSU (Corsair should flip the 2 row, IMO, always thought this!)

 

[DrHudacris]

Quick fan update: the Noctua NFA12x15s far exceed the Silverstone FN124s. Immediately after replacing them, the airflow from my formal "hand above the case" test was noticably increased. I know I shouldn't be surprised because noctua, but damn...

Another benefit: they have fan-stop at 0% PWM, something the Silverstones didn't. So at idle I have them completely off with only the big boi A12x25 at 1100 rpm, true silence.

In stress testing temps are all down 3C at the same RPM (although at 1700RPM, the Noctuas are louder than the Silverstones).

 

[fabio]

Quick fan update: the Noctua NFA12x15s far exceed the Silverstone FN124s. Immediately after replacing them, the airflow from my formal "hand above the case" test was noticably increased. I know I shouldn't be surprised because noctua, but damn...

Another benefit: they have fan-stop at 0% PWM, something the Silverstones didn't. So at idle I have them completely off with only the big boi A12x25 at 1100 rpm, true silence.

In stress testing temps are all down 3C at the same RPM (although at 1700RPM, the Noctuas are louder than the Silverstones).

Thanks to have double checked!!
I agree on the NOCTUA! At max RPM, they are loud!
BTW, are you sure they have a 0rpm mode?? The website say that the minimum speed is 450rpm...

 

[Xoroxronis]

Hi there, great case.. i'm dreaming the two-tone...
and great builds by the way.

BTW, are you sure they have a 0rpm mode?? The website say that the minimum speed is 450rpm...

It doesn't matter. The 0rpm is mobo/fan header/software control setting thing.
The Silverstones if i remember correctly are DC fans, the Noctuas are PWM. If i want to guess, the mobo for the specific header that the Noctuas are connected has a BIOS setting to choose from auto detect/pwm/dc fan control and a setting for fan stop. Some setting there makes the Noctuas to stop.

 

[fabio]

Hi there, great case.. i'm dreaming the two-tone...
and great builds by the way.



It doesn't matter. The 0rpm is mobo/fan header/software control setting thing.
The Silverstones if i remember correctly are DC fans, the Noctuas are PWM. If i want to guess, the mobo for the specific header that the Noctuas are connected has a BIOS setting to choose from auto detect/pwm/dc fan control and a setting for fan stop. Some setting there makes the Noctuas to stop.

Yes yes, of course, but it is "safe" for the fan if it is not officially supported? I am interested in!

 

[Xoroxronis]

Yes yes, of course, but it is "safe" for the fan if it is not officially supported? I am interested in!

Well i'm not sure, but i don't think that going to lower voltage than the starting voltage for DC fans, or going to lower duty cycle than the "minimum" duty cycle for the PWM fans isn't safe for the fans. It's the way all the mobos, gpu, psu, with fan stop feature works.
The "minimum officially supported" has a lot to do with Intel specification for PWM Controlled Fans. Check this from page 6

 

[DrHudacris]

Thanks to have double checked!!
I agree on the NOCTUA! At max RPM, they are loud!
BTW, are you sure they have a 0rpm mode?? The website say that the minimum speed is 450rpm...

Yes! True 0 RPM, it is also mentioned on their website (also for the chromax version). I think the minimum speed is the slowest the fan can spin, excluding full stop. Minimum RPM of 450 RPM from about 20% PWM signal. But under that, it will stop.

NF-A12x15 PWM

Featuring advanced aerodynamic design measures such as Flow Acceleration Channels and Noctua’s AAO frame, the NF-A12x15 is a highly optimised, premium quality quiet fan in size 120x15mm. Its 15mm slim design makes the NF-A12x15 ideal for space-restricted applications such as low-profile CPU...

noctua.at

It doesn't matter. The 0rpm is mobo/fan header/software control setting thing.
The Silverstones if i remember correctly are DC fans, the Noctuas are PWM. If i want to guess, the mobo for the specific header that the Noctuas are connected has a BIOS setting to choose from auto detect/pwm/dc fan control and a setting for fan stop. Some setting there makes the Noctuas to stop.

The Silverstones I used are the FW124 ARGB, which are actually PWM. I had them connected to the same header, and had the same "auto fan stop" enabled and same fan curve. The Silverstone fans idled at 700 RPM, even at 0% PWM signal whereas the Noctuas did not spin.

Next is to test Deepcool GS120s...

 

[fabio]

Yes! True 0 RPM, it is also mentioned on their website (also for the chromax version). I think the minimum speed is the slowest the fan can spin, excluding full stop. Minimum RPM of 450 RPM from about 20% PWM signal. But under that, it will stop.

NF-A12x15 PWM

Featuring advanced aerodynamic design measures such as Flow Acceleration Channels and Noctua’s AAO frame, the NF-A12x15 is a highly optimised, premium quality quiet fan in size 120x15mm. Its 15mm slim design makes the NF-A12x15 ideal for space-restricted applications such as low-profile CPU...

noctua.at

The Silverstones I used are the FW124 ARGB, which are actually PWM. I had them connected to the same header, and had the same "auto fan stop" enabled and same fan curve. The Silverstone fans idled at 700 RPM, even at 0% PWM signal whereas the Noctuas did not spin.

Next is to test Deepcool GS120s...

Holy shit, I never ever knew it! That’s great!

Thanks a lot guys!!

 

[0Zx]

Oh wow you're absolutely right. Just measured the PCB on mine and it's 120 mm. Sorry about that. I was going off of the specs sheet from Zotac's site. They say the height is 148 mm so I wonder if they're including the PCIe bracket at the back that extends past the PCB?

No worries! I would never do something like that...

Production - FormD T1 Classic (READ FIRST POST)

CPU Air Cooling Temperature Comparisons - Alpenfohn Black Ridge v2 vs Noctua L12S Components: CPU Intel i5 9600K 4.6Ghz All Core Overclock at 1.175v AVX offset - 2 LLC - 1 Long duration power limit - 95w Short duration power limit - 135w GPU EVGA RTX 2070 XC Gaming +110 boost clock +850...

smallformfactor.net

 

[Proflucifer]

Holy shit, I never ever knew it! That’s great!

Thanks a lot guys!!

Im scared about what you could potentially do with this information. I swear in a month you will have found out how to push air with 0 fan nois through some 0 rpm magic and manage to make your system inaudible.

 

[fabio]

Im scared about what you could potentially do with this information. I swear in a month you will have found out how to push air with 0 fan nois through some 0 rpm magic and manage to make your system inaudible.

Ahahahahaha! That it’s against physics!!! Actually I am trying to figure out how to enable SLI in a non SLI motherboard (like every ITX)

 

[Xoroxronis]

The Silverstones I used are the FW124 ARGB, which are actually PWM. I had them connected to the same header, and had the same "auto fan stop" enabled and same fan curve. The Silverstone fans idled at 700 RPM, even at 0% PWM signal whereas the Noctuas did not spin.

Sorry my bad, you wrote FN124s in your first post and that's why i assume is the DC version.
So as i understand it, some pwm fans will stop spinning at 0% duty cycle and some others will keep running at their specified minimum speed. And if it's not in the spec sheet as Noctuas, only with testing you can find! It's time to test our fans guys!

*From slim fans besides Noctuas i also had in the past the prolimatech ultra sleek and if i remember correctly they also stop.

 

[DrHudacris]

Sorry my bad, you wrote FN124s in your first post and that's why i assume is the DC version.
So as i understand it, some pwm fans will stop spinning at 0% duty cycle and some others will keep running at their specified minimum speed. And if it's not in the spec sheet as Noctuas, only with testing you can find! It's time to test our fans guys!

*From slim fans besides Noctuas i also had in the past the prolimatech ultra sleek and if i remember correctly they also stop.

Yes sorry, that was my mistake to write FN. Google has been very forgiving in my searches and when I search for "FN124 RGB" shows me the fan I actually meant, the FW124. But you are correct, the FN124 is DC 3 pin!

 

[SoSquidTaste]

@Wahaha360 any interesting feedback from the China QQ buyers? I saw that set of build / review videos that seemed generally very positive. Any community recommended tweaks and such??

 

[gwertheim]

@Wahaha360 any interesting feedback from the China QQ buyers? I saw that set of build / review videos that seemed generally very positive. Any community recommended tweaks and such??

Check the last 5 pages on this thread, there is plenty of build pictures and feedback about what could be changed.

 

[biggieprollz]

My Great and Mediocre Experience, so far...

The Good
Inspired by @fabio and his insane builds, I decided to try and get my hands on a T1.
While I always intended to buy one, the preorder delays have made it difficult for people not in China.
Luckily, I have a close friend that lives in China and managed to secure a case for me via the QQ group and FedEx it to the US.

This case is truly incredible. The thought that went into the design and the shear quality of manufacturing made it a joy to build in.
It is, hands down, the BEST and highest quality SFF case there is. I would think the NCASE M1 is a close second.

I have a very similar build to @fabio.
Spec:

• Ryzen 9 3950X
• ASUS ROG Strix X570-i
• Radeon RX5700XT
• EKWB Magnitude CPU Block
• EKWB Radeon GPU Block
• EKWB 240mm Rad
• DC-LT with Eisstation

While I'm no stranger to SFF, this is my first custom loop ever. The 5700XT is great for gaming. I would've used my WX8200 but unfortunately there is not water block support for it, that I know of. Maybe I will go the NVIDIA route down the route to a Titan or Quadro card for my modeling work.
@fabio thank you for your posts and incredible out-of-the-box thinking. I likely would not have made the jump into this case as quickly as I did had I not seen what it was capable of.

The Bad
Eager to get everything together, I assembled the entire PC in the case.
Looking back, I DEFINITELY should've bench tested everything.

Unfortunately it seems like my riser cable is dead. No video even though the computer POSTs.
Tested with the Ghost S1 riser and video outputs properly but the GPU side of the cable is a bit taller than the ADT so it doesn't fit in the case.

So now, I'm unfortunately stuck. Lead times to get anything from Amazon have become extremely long and I don't have another source for the ADT riser.

Does anyone have a spare, or a good source for them? I'd love to get one so I can start using the machine!

 

[rfarmer]

Question since you didn't mention it, did you set the PCI speed in your BIOS to 3.0 @biggieprollz ? Oh and nice build and nice job sourcing a T1.

 

[tinyitx]

...Luckily, I have a close friend that lives in China and managed to secure a case for me via the QQ group and FedEx it to the US....

So now, I'm unfortunately stuck. Lead times to get anything from Amazon have become extremely long and I don't have another source for the ADT riser.

Why not ask your close friend in China to get an ADT riser for you in Taobao?
I am not sure which ADT riser model you need and so you have to check for yourself.

ADT爾達特 - 淘寶網|Taobao

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world.taobao.com

ADTLink 2 - 淘寶網|Taobao

歡迎光臨-ADTLink 2，淘寶網Taobao爲你提供最新商品圖片、價格、品牌、評價、折扣等信息，有問題可直接諮詢商家！淘寶數億熱銷好貨，官方物流可寄送至全球十地，支持外幣支付等多種付款方式、平臺客服24小時線上、支付寶擔保交易、由商家提供退換貨承諾。

world.taobao.com

etc etc

 

[biggieprollz]

Why not ask your close friend in China to get an ADT riser for you in Taobao?
I am not sure which ADT riser model you need and so you have to check for yourself.

ADT爾達特 - 淘寶網|Taobao

歡迎光臨-ADT爾達特，淘寶網Taobao爲你提供最新商品圖片、價格、品牌、評價、折扣等信息，有問題可直接諮詢商家！淘寶數億熱銷好貨，官方物流可寄送至全球十地，支持外幣支付等多種付款方式、平臺客服24小時線上、支付寶擔保交易、由商家提供退換貨承諾。

world.taobao.com

ADTLink 2 - 淘寶網|Taobao

歡迎光臨-ADTLink 2，淘寶網Taobao爲你提供最新商品圖片、價格、品牌、評價、折扣等信息，有問題可直接諮詢商家！淘寶數億熱銷好貨，官方物流可寄送至全球十地，支持外幣支付等多種付款方式、平臺客服24小時線上、支付寶擔保交易、由商家提供退換貨承諾。

world.taobao.com

etc etc

Thanks Tiny. Plan to talk to him tonight.
Need to just verify the model.

@Wahaha360 - can you specify the length and model number for the ADT riser you're using on the T1s.

 

[gwertheim]

My Great and Mediocre Experience, so far...

The Good
Inspired by @fabio and his insane builds, I decided to try and get my hands on a T1.
While I always intended to buy one, the preorder delays have made it difficult for people not in China.
Luckily, I have a close friend that lives in China and managed to secure a case for me via the QQ group and FedEx it to the US.

This case is truly incredible. The thought that went into the design and the shear quality of manufacturing made it a joy to build in.
It is, hands down, the BEST and highest quality SFF case there is. I would think the NCASE M1 is a close second.

I have a very similar build to @fabio.
Spec:

• Ryzen 9 3950X
• ASUS ROG Strix X570-i
• Radeon RX5700XT
• EKWB Magnitude CPU Block
• EKWB Radeon GPU Block
• EKWB 240mm Rad
• DC-LT with Eisstation

While I'm no stranger to SFF, this is my first custom loop ever. The 5700XT is great for gaming. I would've used my WX8200 but unfortunately there is not water block support for it, that I know of. Maybe I will go the NVIDIA route down the route to a Titan or Quadro card for my modeling work.
@fabio thank you for your posts and incredible out-of-the-box thinking. I likely would not have made the jump into this case as quickly as I did had I not seen what it was capable of.

The Bad
Eager to get everything together, I assembled the entire PC in the case.
Looking back, I DEFINITELY should've bench tested everything.

Unfortunately it seems like my riser cable is dead. No video even though the computer POSTs.
Tested with the Ghost S1 riser and video outputs properly but the GPU side of the cable is a bit taller than the ADT so it doesn't fit in the case.

So now, I'm unfortunately stuck. Lead times to get anything from Amazon have become extremely long and I don't have another source for the ADT riser.

Does anyone have a spare, or a good source for them? I'd love to get one so I can start using the machine!

1. ALWAYS TEST YOUR PARTS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CASE NO MATTER WHAT. Take a deep breath and tell yourself that there is no rush and you have all the time in the world to do a proper job instead of a half asked hack rush job that you will redo later


2. Try http://www.liheat.com.tw/en/product_cg127116.html

I hear nothing but good things but I would see what @Wahaha360 has to say.