SFF.Network AMD Talks Ryzen: Memory Support, Mini-ITX and Game Performance

Ryzen has had an active post-launch development, in which AMD has supported developers and manufacturers with code, guidelines and microcode updates to further increase performance and support of its hot new CPU platform.

Forbes has had an interview with AMD’s Ryzen Product Manager James Prior and Head of Global Technical Marketing Robert Hallock. They discuss game and app optimization needed to make full use of Ryzen’s platform, along with memory performance and compatibility.

Read more here.

 

[grumpyrobin]

Ok, update on the Threadripper thing. I found what looks to be a photo of an SP3 socket, and it looks like it actually takes up less space than AM4. Basically what I did is I threw these two images side by side in Illustrator, traced the SP3 socket and establish two comparison points (so I assumed the capacitors in both images are the same size), and scaled the purple stuff to fit on the AM4 image. The red circles are for indicating what I assume to be the mounting holes for SP3, which is why I say it ends up taking up less space.

I do not claim any of this to be accurate though, but if it is... ( ͡● ͜ʖ ͡●)

AVAST YE MATEYS! We set sail for threadripper!

 

[|||]

My hunch for Threadripper is that it is just two R7 connected by AMD's Infinity Fabric, being that the fabric can maintain cache (incl. memory) coherency.

It'd be just like Epyc, but with only two CPU dies on the package. Therefore, it will have the 4 DIMM channels (as has been mentioned by AMD), 32 PCI-e 3.0 lanes for GPU's, 2 x x4 PCI-e 3.0 M.2 or mix with SATA, and x4 PCI-e 3.0 for a chipset. However, I'm curious if the x4 PCI-e 3.0 that would normally go to a chipset would be available otherwise (or perhaps X399 is completely different and connects to both dies via 2 x4 PCI-e 3.0 connections?).

 

[SeñorDonut]

Update on estimated size again: This article has a pretty good pic of an SP3 motherboard and the size of it too. This time I threw the image in Sketchup and compared to an AM4 board I found in the Warehouse. It looks like SP3 will be about 11x15mm bigger than AM4's total size.

 

[grumpyrobin]

Gonna be a tight squeeze then.

 

[SeñorDonut]

Gonna be a tight squeeze then.

That's where all the fun is

 

[SeñorDonut]

Also, here's a comparison of SP3 vs 2011-3. 2011-3 is 11mm bigger on one side and 32mm smaller on the other.

 

[alamilla]

If the motherboard used in the slides is anything to go by, the socket is likely to be orientated length wise <--->
Imagine ASRock producing an ITX board with this socket

 

[grumpyrobin]

Where there is a market there is a product.

Now how do we make the market...

 

[SeñorDonut]

Where there is a market there is a product.

Now how do we make the market...

Isn't there an ASRock rep here? I think if we can just get a list of people that would buy it that might be enough

 

[jeshikat]

Imagine ASRock producing an ITX board with this socket

I don't think it's at all feasible. Narrow 2011-3 was extremely difficult to fit according to ASRock and this is much bigger.

 

[SeñorDonut]

I don't think it's at all feasible. Narrow 2011-3 was extremely difficult to fit according to ASRock and this is much bigger.

IIRC Threadripper doesn't need a chipset, it's a complete SoC, or is that just Epyc? If all else fails, there's always mDTX

 

[|||]

IIRC Threadripper doesn't need a chipset, it's a complete SoC, or is that just Epyc? If all else fails, there's always mDTX

I'm guessing they're all SoC's...Epyc is four Ryzen processors connected with Infinity Fabric and Threadripper would just be two Ryzen processors. Of course, a single Ryzen processor is an SoC, in and of itself.

 

[Phuncz]

Juicy tidbit about this: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram

AGESA 1.0.0.6 officially adds 26 new parameters that can improve the compatibility and reliability of DRAM, especially for memory that does not follow the industry-standard JEDEC specifications (e.g. faster than 2667, manual overclocking, or XMP2 profiles).

Also, hardware virtualisation is improving for Ryzen.

And more importantly:

Depending on the QA/testing practices of your motherboard vendor, full BIOSes based on this code could be available for your motherboard starting in mid to late June. Some customers may already be in luck, however, as there are motherboards—like my Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming5 and ASUS Crosshair VI—that already have public betas.

 

[jeshikat]

IIRC Threadripper doesn't need a chipset, it's a complete SoC, or is that just Epyc? If all else fails, there's always mDTX

Even if it's a SOC, if your mockup is accurate, Threadripper still takes up more space than the Narrow ILM 2011 socket + X99 chipset combined.

 

[BirdofPrey]

IIRC Threadripper doesn't need a chipset, it's a complete SoC, or is that just Epyc? If all else fails, there's always mDTX

I haven't actually heard anything about Epyc of Threadripper, but all the chips on AM4 are SoC designs, so they don't strictly need chipsets.
The reason they still have them, though, is that having a chipset greatly expands the connectivity options. I highly doubt Threadripper motherboards will release without a chipset even if it isn't strictly needed for that reason.

 

[Phuncz]

https://community.amd.com/community...emory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings

A new community update, focusing on memory overclocking and some of the obscure options one can find in the BIOS.

 

[3lfk1ng]

The reason they still have them, though, is that having a chipset greatly expands the connectivity options.