SFF.Network AMD Ryzen announced, detailed and available for pre-order TODAY !

Ever since AMD first announced the work that would later be branded as Ryzen, the company has been strategically and masterfully orchestrating a narrative of dramatic change and disruption to the staid status quo of consumer and enthusiast-grade processors. Today, however, AMD has built up this performance into a crescendo, by revealing their top-performing Ryzen AM4 CPUs today.

Read more here.

 

[|||]

So the question is whether someone will make an ITX board for Naples

 

[3lfk1ng]

If anyone bites, it would be @ASRock System

 

[Josh | NFC]

Oh look at that...Ryzen stuff on my doorstep courtesy of AMD.

Wait, this can't be an AMD product...high end I/O...M.2...premium PCB with three layer silk screening...rgb leds...high end shrouding...

This has to be an Intel board...but the socket is all wrong.

 

[3lfk1ng]

...but does it fit in an S4?

 

[Dyson Poindexter]

So the question is whether someone will make an ITX board for Naples

 

[MarcParis]

Oh look at that...Ryzen stuff on my doorstep courtesy of AMD.

Wait, this can't be an AMD product...high end I/O...M.2...premium PCB with three layer silk screening...rgb leds...high end shrouding...

This has to be an Intel board...but the socket is all wrong.

Perfect fit for cerberus-x review?..

 

[Ceros_X]

So did Naples just kill everyone's reason to get Ryzen lol

 

[EdZ]

So did Naples just kill everyone's reason to get Ryzen lol

According to AMD, Naples is a bunch of Ryzen dies in the same package.

 

[Dyson Poindexter]

My only concern is they will clock it pretty low to improve perf/watt, mandate ECC ram, or have a big honkin' socket that precludes anything smaller than EATX. We definitely never got a G34 Micro-ATX board!

But, if they can fit 16 3.4+ GHz cores on a normal AM4 socket my monitor is going to be ruined from all the cash I will be throwing at it.

 

[rokabeka]

According to AMD, Naples is a bunch of Ryzen dies in the same package.

it will be interesting to see how they managed to provide 8 memory channels and 128 pcie lanes per socket. if it is not homogeneous then in case of performance optimization you need to take into consideration the allocation of CCX-memchannel-PCIE lane, not only the socket.
EDIT: according to arstechnica in two-socket system 64 pcie lanes are occupied for the inter-socket communication and 64 remains available. so 128 is available for single socket only. 8xCrossFire?

 

[EdZ]

Using PCIe lanes as inter-chip interconnects (branded 'Infinity Fabric', like Intel uses an effective PCIe X4 link branded as 'DMI') is going to give it some really bizarre performance characteristics on workloads that span more than a single die's directly accessible memory. A single-chip Naples package might need to be treated a bit like a quad-socket board.

 

[Phuncz]

Naples also won't be cheap and it's platform won't be either. Even if it will be supported on consumer platforms, I highly doubt you'll get a CPU and board at lower than $1000 for something that's atleast better than the 1800X.

We haven't yet. We're both waiting for smaller enthusiast motherboards.

Nope, I was going with ATX anyway, Crossfire setup and a Cerberus-X. Not that it helps, zero X370 boards available in my location with none in sight.

 

[3lfk1ng]

Friends don't let friends buy ATX.
I guess it's okay though since I don't know you IRL

 

[Phuncz]

I know I'll have to choose between ATX and friendship. Sometimes you don't realise what you got until it's gone...
To be honest, I wasn't ever considering ATX until I saw @Necere 's renders of a case that could make good use of an ATX board in an µATX-sized case. And when @Aibohphobia started thinking about Cerberus-X, I just completely lost all sanity.

 

[MarcParis]

I share same point of view @Phuncz ..
I switched to micro atx in 2009 and to mini itx in 2012...and now i'm back to atx thanks to @Aibohphobia ..

 

[Vittra]

I know I'll have to choose between ATX and friendship. Sometimes you don't realise what you got until it's gone...
To be honest, I wasn't ever considering ATX until I saw @Necere 's renders of a case that could make good use of an ATX board in an µATX-sized case. And when @Aibohphobia started thinking about Cerberus-X, I just completely lost all sanity.

As that never went anywhere, my interest in a Cerberus turned into a Cerberus-X as well around the same time.

 

[MarcParis]

A very interesting test of GTX1080 ti using both intel and Ryzen cpu.. Pretty interesting..
http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/2/

Important to note CPU tested :

• Stock 5820K (3,3Ghz-3,6Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (quad channel)
• Stock 7700K (4,2-4,5Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)
• Stock R7 1800X (3,6Ghz-4,0Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)
• OC R7 1800X (4,1Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)

No AA, Physx, Hairworks, etc

And conclusion is
"In almost all tests (things didn’t go perfectly in Far Cry Primal) the Ryzen 1800X gave the best frame rates at all resolutions, and even more so when pushed to 1440P and 2160P, where the 8-core 16-thread design of the CPU was able to relieve the GTX 1080 Ti of any bottlenecks in performance.

The most exciting thing we saw so far wasn’t the average frame rates, but the minimum. People are often quick to leap to the maximum frame rate, and I’ll give you a bit of a tip, high frame rates are great, but they’re not all that. You can run some games as low as 20FPS and it’ll play great, just look at classics like Zelda 64 and Goldeneye, they ran at 20FPS and they felt pretty smooth. The trick is they didn’t drop frames. If you’re gaming at 100+ FPS and your frame rate drops below 60FPS for a moment, you’re going to notice; the same is true from 60-40, and so on. The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number."

 

[Ceros_X]

A very interesting test of GTX1080 ti using both intel and Ryzen cpu.. Pretty interesting..
http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/2/

Important to note CPU tested :

• Stock 5820K (3,3Ghz-3,6Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (quad channel)
• Stock 7700K (4,2-4,5Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)
• Stock R7 1800X (3,6Ghz-4,0Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)
• OC R7 1800X (4,1Ghz) with 2400Mhz ram (dual channel)

No AA, Physx, Hairworks, etc

And conclusion is
"In almost all tests (things didn’t go perfectly in Far Cry Primal) the Ryzen 1800X gave the best frame rates at all resolutions, and even more so when pushed to 1440P and 2160P, where the 8-core 16-thread design of the CPU was able to relieve the GTX 1080 Ti of any bottlenecks in performance.

The most exciting thing we saw so far wasn’t the average frame rates, but the minimum. People are often quick to leap to the maximum frame rate, and I’ll give you a bit of a tip, high frame rates are great, but they’re not all that. You can run some games as low as 20FPS and it’ll play great, just look at classics like Zelda 64 and Goldeneye, they ran at 20FPS and they felt pretty smooth. The trick is they didn’t drop frames. If you’re gaming at 100+ FPS and your frame rate drops below 60FPS for a moment, you’re going to notice; the same is true from 60-40, and so on. The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number."

I want to see a test like this but using the highest clocked memory that each processor will support. Who uses 2400mhz DDR4 in their i7?

 

[MarcParis]

and here is a fair video of testing GTX 1080ti with both core i7 7700K vs R7 1800X..

Conclusion : 4K gaming is completely OK with R7 1800X + GTX 1080 ti..

 

[Phuncz]

https://www.techpowerup.com/231401/you-really-shouldnt-delidd-amds-ryzen-7-cpus

So basically Der8auer only achieved a 1°C and 3°C lower value for respectively the max core temperature and average temperature, after delidding, cleaning, applying Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. So basically not worth it, especially considering the socket has a protrusion that's half a millimeter taller than a bare core and most coolers will not make good contact.