Any particular problems with it? I have that block also, but don't have the card yet.
Stalled Winter One -- 15.6L SFF case, 3090 Support, 3-slot GPUs, dual 280mm radiators, CFD Optimized Design
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I think it was the I/O shield that fit strangely. Since I already had my mind made up about swapping blocks, I didn't investigate too much. The backplate always fit strangely with that block for me though. It was a B-Stock block that had 3090 branding on it, so maybe that had something to do with it.
PCIe bracket and the backplate from Bykski didn't fit on mine. I'm using the original ones instead. Bykski constantly revises their blocks, there is a chance that those problems are fixed in newer revisions. I bought mine in November.
@WinterCharm , I wanted to move the GPU to the second slot, what length riser is needed?
i had asked the question to @WinterCharm some time ago, the thickness should not exceed 3mm, it is specified on the site of Winterone -> here
Mine is 6.8 mm, I will correct it when I get the case.
Looks like @WinterCharm followed through on what he said. The Batch 2 page has been updated with the reduced price and extended turn around time.
Still wish black was an option.
Still wish black was an option.
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This looks like an amazing case, and I'd love to get it for a 2x280mm custom loop build.
Are there any news on the tempered glass side panel? I understand it's an idea/planned, but is there any sort of rough timeline? Also, if I were to get the case now (batch 2), is there a possibility such a side panel could be bought separately and retrofitted?
Oh and on the price thing: I've gotta be honest, to me, there's no big difference in "sticker shock" (i've seen this mentioned somewhere) between $379 and $449.. For "normal" builders, a good case is like 100 bucks, 150-200 if you go premium. Close to 400 seems unthinkable, especially when it's a small, unassuming case like this. I'm not saying it isn't justified, just that most people won't see the value in a case like this imho.
Personally, I'd much rather get the case earlier, even if it costs more. Sitting in agony waiting on PC parts can be a lot worse than paying some 70$, I can tell you this from experience
Are there any news on the tempered glass side panel? I understand it's an idea/planned, but is there any sort of rough timeline? Also, if I were to get the case now (batch 2), is there a possibility such a side panel could be bought separately and retrofitted?
Oh and on the price thing: I've gotta be honest, to me, there's no big difference in "sticker shock" (i've seen this mentioned somewhere) between $379 and $449.. For "normal" builders, a good case is like 100 bucks, 150-200 if you go premium. Close to 400 seems unthinkable, especially when it's a small, unassuming case like this. I'm not saying it isn't justified, just that most people won't see the value in a case like this imho.
Personally, I'd much rather get the case earlier, even if it costs more. Sitting in agony waiting on PC parts can be a lot worse than paying some 70$, I can tell you this from experience
Does this mean that kickstarter silver backers will also be pushed to the end of 2021? Oh boi, hopefully high end parts are more available by then
PCIE Gen 4.0 riser option is ON lads! for a mere $23 topup
. How would a kickstarter backer get in on this @WinterCharm?Very reasonable price for a Gen 4 upgrade.Does this mean that kickstarter silver backers will also be pushed to the end of 2021? Oh boi, hopefully high end parts are more available by then
PCIE Gen 4.0 riser option is ON lads! for a mere $23 topup
Really want to pull the trigger, but I have too many silver cases
UPDATE 20 - Batch 1 Shipments, Batch 2 Orders
Pushing back production of Batch 2 will allow us to lower online order prices to $379 (the original intended price of Winter One) effective immediately. This will help us hit the MOQ's that we need. As a result of the price change, the case will need to go into production later this year when metal prices fall. At current metal prices, we would lose around $8-13K if we went ahead with Batch 2 production.
Note: To anyone who ordered Batch 2 on our website before the price drop, You will be refunded for the difference in the coming days. This will be done automatically, for all online orders.
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I'll be answering some questions tomorrow, after I get a chance to catch up on sleep. <3
General Updates
- All cases shipping now have nylon spacers included
- Keep an eye out for shipment reciepts
- More Batch 1 cases should ship later this week, catching us up to our schedule of shipping Batch 1, after last week’s delays.
Batch 2 Production Delays
Batch 2 delays are unavoidable until metal prices fall. Currently aluminum prices are 240% higher than they were 6 months ago. At this time it is not profitable to produce Batch 2. Production will need to be pushed to later this year. Around 100-125 cases is our MOQ for something like Winter One. Batch 2 still needs 60-70 more orders to make it work.Batch 2 Online Orders & Price Changes
Winter One batch #2 went on sale on our website last weekend. We priced the cases for producing Batch 2 as soon as possible, which took into account the current aluminum prices. Aluminum costs considerably more than it did 6 months ago due to production shortages. At the same time, selling part of Batch 2 online is necessary to achieve the MOQ’s required to produce all of Batch 2. However, people felt the price was too high.Pushing back production of Batch 2 will allow us to lower online order prices to $379 (the original intended price of Winter One) effective immediately. This will help us hit the MOQ's that we need. As a result of the price change, the case will need to go into production later this year when metal prices fall. At current metal prices, we would lose around $8-13K if we went ahead with Batch 2 production.
Note: To anyone who ordered Batch 2 on our website before the price drop, You will be refunded for the difference in the coming days. This will be done automatically, for all online orders.
Linus Tech Tips builds in Winter One
I sent Linus a case to try a build in. Here's how it went:---------------------
I'll be answering some questions tomorrow, after I get a chance to catch up on sleep. <3
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As promised earlier, a very lengthy reply / Q&A post.
Yeah, once again, this goes back into how and why we did all the CFD optimization, throughout the entire case. Every tiny detail related to airflow was taken into account, when designing this case...
No. Until orders are larger we simply do not have the order volume to offer multiple colors. Kickstarter was close to the goal of being able to fulfill the Black and Silver, but fell short. We were originally going to offer Black only as a result, but enough people expressed that they wanted Silver, that we decided to do a silver run, with web orders later adding the necessary volume. Batches will be one-color until volume is higher.
Batch 3. One color at a time until supply improves. Assuming people actually still want this case.
Nope. Custom design and profile just for Winter One. However, you're welcome to grab any MKB switch, and make one of your own, or 3D scan the Winter One button, and print / mod something. Or use it as a negative, and make a keycap mould, and pour some artisan power buttons.
We've received a few reports about that. First of all, I want to apologize. We could not find a supplier willing to do a custom PCB for the board, and solder a 2-pin or 4-pin power connector onto it... So I ended up hand soldering all of them for Batch 1, just to ensure the timeline didn't slip T_T so if any of those are a bit flimsy, that's entirely my fault. We'll be correcting this for future batches.
Generally speaking, aside from promised accessories like side panels, and a few other things, we do not plan to sell individual parts of this case. Manufacturing runs are batched, and planned around near-exact order quantities. Having and keeping regular stock of everything ties up an insane amount of capital. Not really doable for a startup at our current size / scale.
Drop us a support email if you have any more trouble with that switch. <3
TBH, this was the part that slightly disappointed me. The rest of the video was extremely entertaining. I went through a *lot* of trouble to prepare and send them a 4K ProRes time-slice of CFD, hoping they'd talk about it.
Without hitting MoQ we cannot run silver, so no choice but to lower price and delay.
Our early survey data showed a nearly 50/50 split of Black / Silver. If we don't want to exclude half the buyers, we have to offer one color each batch, in alternating batches, until we hit order volumes in excess of 250.
Sale of Perf Panels in Black will happen during Batch 3 (next Matte Black batch). We cannot run Black and Silver parts at the same time right now. Running a small lot of Black-only perf panels would incur an insane cost for us and users.
This is going to come across as really blunt, but if that's how you feel, then it sounds like you've already decided the case isn't for you. I would not push someone to buy something they were not happy with. It sounds like you love the *idea* of performance in Winter One, but the price doesn't work for you. That's okay. There are other cases on the market. I said it at the time, and I'll repeat it again: The Kickstarter was the absolute cheapest this case was ever going to be. We ran very thin margins on the Kickstarter, on purpose, to get the case into as many early adopter's hands as possible.
Additionally, when it comes to purely air cooled builds, my current build in W1 is a stock parts, air-cooled build. It's a totally legitimate way to build in Winter One. A 5950X / 3090FE on air cooling sit at 65C under full system load, so our air cooling is legitimately better than water cooling in most SFF cases. Good airflow benefits air and water cooling. and we optimized the case airflow for both types of builds.
The price is the price because of the insane level of engineering required to achieve these kinds of thermals. Our college had a Formula SAE team regularly placed top 25 in the world. That's where Rayyan and I learned CFD. You don't just take that kind of aerodynamic expertise and apply it to something for cheap. At the same time, we wanted the quality of the case to reflect the engineering effort that's gone into this. Ask anyone who's built in Winter One thus far, and they'll tell you that we're hitting RAMA-works levels of quality on these panels... the price was bound to go up after launch. That profit is going to be paying for all the work that's gone into it, as well as SPK development, which, again, requires considerable time and cost.
Ultimately, everyone wants everything for dirt cheap. We get it. I love a good bargain, too. The reality is that well-executed R&D, engineering, design, manufacturing, and QC adds cost. There's a very good reason most PC cases are cookie cutter designs with different plastic bits added on for flavor - because real engineering work requires spending money, and case makers are usually unwilling. On top of that, we need to eat, too. We rewarded ourselves with equity for the first year, but equity cannot directly buy food. We need to pay ourselves, and also pay the people we plan to hire as we grow.
We've already talked to suppliers about getting certified Gen 4 risers, when they're available - which we were told is later this year. Since we're pushing Batch 2 to 2H 2021, the option is now available.
These cases are also running massive margins, and not waiting for certified risers like we are... much easier for them to absorb the cost than for us.
Unfortunately, not enough people shared this view. We simply cannot produce Batch 2 without hitting MOQs.
In order to do that, we need to actually hit MOQ with Batch 2 priced at $449, which wasn't looking like it would happen, so we moved the delivery date back and set the price to $379.
$379 is where it will have to stay. Ultimately, this is a case that brings RAMA-works like quality to SFF, combined with some genuinely incredible airflow engineering. Ask anyone who's unpacked the case and seen it in person... they'll confirm that the quality is breathtaking. Unfortunately, it's not possible long-term at such a low cost.
Gen 4 risers are being offered with online orders of Batch 2 because that batch is shipping in late 2021. We will not have those components in hand until close to then, which is why we are not offering them for Batch 1 Kickstarter cases. For Batch 2 Kickstarter, since it's now delayed until then, we're working on a way for people to upgrade.
Eventually, we will include them on the Winter One website as a purchasable accessory.
I'm in contact with OT. Can't say much more, though.
Even if people want the case earlier, it just cannot be done if we don't hit MoQ.
Thanks for the feedback, and for pointing me to the Niche Zero
It's now an option for Batch 2 online orders.
Thank you And yes, I agree, we need to put that in our FAQ.
Hehehe okay, that genuinely made me chuckle a bit.
~4-5mm, depending on shape.
Out of curiosity, could you take a measurement of the thickness of the Bykski backplate thickness? I have not been able to find it anywhere, and wanted to know.
180mm, double reverse. And some M3x0.5-threaded 20mm standoffs that can screw into the existing ones.
We hear you. Sadly, not enough people think about it this way, and we need to hit a certain order quantity, otherwise, the case is just too expensive.
That... was a typo. It should be $29, but if anyone got it at $23, we'll honor it. Our mistake + your luck
SPK development is halted ATM due to resource constraints. We'll likely see it resume by the end of this year. We're going to have to go for a staggered release on the SPK, with the CPU cooler happening before the GPU cooler.
Yeah, once again, this goes back into how and why we did all the CFD optimization, throughout the entire case. Every tiny detail related to airflow was taken into account, when designing this case...
No. Until orders are larger we simply do not have the order volume to offer multiple colors. Kickstarter was close to the goal of being able to fulfill the Black and Silver, but fell short. We were originally going to offer Black only as a result, but enough people expressed that they wanted Silver, that we decided to do a silver run, with web orders later adding the necessary volume. Batches will be one-color until volume is higher.
Batch 3. One color at a time until supply improves. Assuming people actually still want this case.
Nope. Custom design and profile just for Winter One. However, you're welcome to grab any MKB switch, and make one of your own, or 3D scan the Winter One button, and print / mod something. Or use it as a negative, and make a keycap mould, and pour some artisan power buttons.
Speaking of power buttons. Did anyone else have the wires come off on their power button? Not a big deal, I just soldered it back on, but it seems like it may be a good idea to put some heat shrink around that solder joint in the future. At least that is what I did with mine. Maybe I was a bit too rough with it
We've received a few reports about that. First of all, I want to apologize. We could not find a supplier willing to do a custom PCB for the board, and solder a 2-pin or 4-pin power connector onto it... So I ended up hand soldering all of them for Batch 1, just to ensure the timeline didn't slip T_T so if any of those are a bit flimsy, that's entirely my fault. We'll be correcting this for future batches.
Generally speaking, aside from promised accessories like side panels, and a few other things, we do not plan to sell individual parts of this case. Manufacturing runs are batched, and planned around near-exact order quantities. Having and keeping regular stock of everything ties up an insane amount of capital. Not really doable for a startup at our current size / scale.
Drop us a support email if you have any more trouble with that switch. <3
TBH, this was the part that slightly disappointed me. The rest of the video was extremely entertaining. I went through a *lot* of trouble to prepare and send them a 4K ProRes time-slice of CFD, hoping they'd talk about it.
Without hitting MoQ we cannot run silver, so no choice but to lower price and delay.
Our early survey data showed a nearly 50/50 split of Black / Silver. If we don't want to exclude half the buyers, we have to offer one color each batch, in alternating batches, until we hit order volumes in excess of 250.
Sale of Perf Panels in Black will happen during Batch 3 (next Matte Black batch). We cannot run Black and Silver parts at the same time right now. Running a small lot of Black-only perf panels would incur an insane cost for us and users.
This is going to come across as really blunt, but if that's how you feel, then it sounds like you've already decided the case isn't for you. I would not push someone to buy something they were not happy with. It sounds like you love the *idea* of performance in Winter One, but the price doesn't work for you. That's okay. There are other cases on the market. I said it at the time, and I'll repeat it again: The Kickstarter was the absolute cheapest this case was ever going to be. We ran very thin margins on the Kickstarter, on purpose, to get the case into as many early adopter's hands as possible.
Additionally, when it comes to purely air cooled builds, my current build in W1 is a stock parts, air-cooled build. It's a totally legitimate way to build in Winter One. A 5950X / 3090FE on air cooling sit at 65C under full system load, so our air cooling is legitimately better than water cooling in most SFF cases. Good airflow benefits air and water cooling. and we optimized the case airflow for both types of builds.
The price is the price because of the insane level of engineering required to achieve these kinds of thermals. Our college had a Formula SAE team regularly placed top 25 in the world. That's where Rayyan and I learned CFD. You don't just take that kind of aerodynamic expertise and apply it to something for cheap. At the same time, we wanted the quality of the case to reflect the engineering effort that's gone into this. Ask anyone who's built in Winter One thus far, and they'll tell you that we're hitting RAMA-works levels of quality on these panels... the price was bound to go up after launch. That profit is going to be paying for all the work that's gone into it, as well as SPK development, which, again, requires considerable time and cost.
Ultimately, everyone wants everything for dirt cheap. We get it. I love a good bargain, too. The reality is that well-executed R&D, engineering, design, manufacturing, and QC adds cost. There's a very good reason most PC cases are cookie cutter designs with different plastic bits added on for flavor - because real engineering work requires spending money, and case makers are usually unwilling. On top of that, we need to eat, too. We rewarded ourselves with equity for the first year, but equity cannot directly buy food. We need to pay ourselves, and also pay the people we plan to hire as we grow.
We've already talked to suppliers about getting certified Gen 4 risers, when they're available - which we were told is later this year. Since we're pushing Batch 2 to 2H 2021, the option is now available.
These cases are also running massive margins, and not waiting for certified risers like we are... much easier for them to absorb the cost than for us.
Unfortunately, not enough people shared this view. We simply cannot produce Batch 2 without hitting MOQs.
In order to do that, we need to actually hit MOQ with Batch 2 priced at $449, which wasn't looking like it would happen, so we moved the delivery date back and set the price to $379.
$379 is where it will have to stay. Ultimately, this is a case that brings RAMA-works like quality to SFF, combined with some genuinely incredible airflow engineering. Ask anyone who's unpacked the case and seen it in person... they'll confirm that the quality is breathtaking. Unfortunately, it's not possible long-term at such a low cost.
Gen 4 risers are being offered with online orders of Batch 2 because that batch is shipping in late 2021. We will not have those components in hand until close to then, which is why we are not offering them for Batch 1 Kickstarter cases. For Batch 2 Kickstarter, since it's now delayed until then, we're working on a way for people to upgrade.
Eventually, we will include them on the Winter One website as a purchasable accessory.
I'm in contact with OT. Can't say much more, though.
Even if people want the case earlier, it just cannot be done if we don't hit MoQ.
Thanks for the feedback, and for pointing me to the Niche Zero
It's now an option for Batch 2 online orders.
Thank you
And yes, I agree, we need to put that in our FAQ.Hehehe okay, that genuinely made me chuckle a bit.
~4-5mm, depending on shape.
Out of curiosity, could you take a measurement of the thickness of the Bykski backplate thickness? I have not been able to find it anywhere, and wanted to know.
180mm, double reverse. And some M3x0.5-threaded 20mm standoffs that can screw into the existing ones.
This looks like an amazing case, and I'd love to get it for a 2x280mm custom loop build.
Are there any news on the tempered glass side panel? I understand it's an idea/planned, but is there any sort of rough timeline? Also, if I were to get the case now (batch 2), is there a possibility such a side panel could be bought separately and retrofitted?
Oh and on the price thing: I've gotta be honest, to me, there's no big difference in "sticker shock" (i've seen this mentioned somewhere) between $379 and $449.. For "normal" builders, a good case is like 100 bucks, 150-200 if you go premium. Close to 400 seems unthinkable, especially when it's a small, unassuming case like this. I'm not saying it isn't justified, just that most people won't see the value in a case like this imho.
Personally, I'd much rather get the case earlier, even if it costs more. Sitting in agony waiting on PC parts can be a lot worse than paying some 70$, I can tell you this from experience
We hear you. Sadly, not enough people think about it this way, and we need to hit a certain order quantity, otherwise, the case is just too expensive.
Does this mean that kickstarter silver backers will also be pushed to the end of 2021? Oh boi, hopefully high end parts are more available by then
PCIE Gen 4.0 riser option is ON lads! for a mere $23 topup
That... was a typo. It should be $29, but if anyone got it at $23, we'll honor it. Our mistake + your luck SPK development is halted ATM due to resource constraints. We'll likely see it resume by the end of this year. We're going to have to go for a staggered release on the SPK, with the CPU cooler happening before the GPU cooler.
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@WinterCharm is it possible to get the pcie 4.0 riser as early adopter? (ordered in silver last year )
)Mine is ~6mm from the bottom of the measured screw post to the top of the backplate. The screw post is ~3mm
I just realized that Linus used a Barrow CPU block with Koolance fittings in the build video. I thought that wasn't an option with the maximum cpu clearance height of 70mm? I was under the impression that Barrow + Koolance was around 72-73mm? I might have missed a post about this since I haven't checked in a while.
Also I don't mind waiting till end of 2021 to get my cases, its not the end of the world for me and I get how volatile everything can be right now. So keep up the good work.
Also I don't mind waiting till end of 2021 to get my cases, its not the end of the world for me and I get how volatile everything can be right now. So keep up the good work.
No, its absolutely a Barrow block
