Meh, good thing it's soldered. Looks like the only reason it can do those clocks is due to that, it would be steaming otherwise
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Meh, good thing it's soldered. Looks like the only reason it can do those clocks is due to that, it would be steaming otherwise
3200G is also soldered - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re..._3200gr5_3400g_delided_soldered_confirmed_by/
I would have to aquire a 3200G to test it in the A300 to know for sure BUT the difference in performance between the 3400G and 2400G CPU is maybe a couple percentage points. Nothing worth upgrading for or spending exstra money on. Maintainable boost clock speed was about the same Plus the cooler that comes with the 3400G doesn't fit so one would need to purchase a Noctua which adds another $40 to the purchase price.
The faster Vega 11 in the 3400G is all you get and it's not much faster.
I find it hard to believe that, in the A300, giving up SMT and would be worth buying a 3200G over a 2400G. Now the 2400G can easily be found for $120 and the 3200G can be found for $100; which is basically paying $20 for SMT.
The integrated graphics is a bonus in my opinion so your use case will determine what's a better bargain. I just think it's awesome discreet graphics cards aren't mandatory anymore for decent gaming.
As far as memory goes, the 2400G and 3400G both had ZERO issues running ram speeds of DDR4-3333. The 3400G would, mostly, run DDR4-3400 but windows would still randomly glitch even after loosening the timings to the point it was better to run DDR4-3333 settings.
Regardless, a ZEN 2 APU should be available next year and I'm hoping the 4400G is 15-18% faster with a Navi iGPU at the $150 price point. That would be a worth while upgrade.
Untill the Zen 2 APU arrives the best value for the A300, in my opinion, is the 2400G. If you just want to save $20 waiting for the Zen 2 APU to release at least the 3200G comes with a wraith stealth. If you can hold out MAYBE an upgraded A300 will get released or some competition will immerge.
You are missing an essential difference regarding media 4K HDR output:
"A new feature coming to the APUs is support for 4K protected video streaming, such as Netflix 4K. This is a feature that has been missed on the previous generation, especially as AMD’s APUs have found their way into a number of small form factor systems and HTPC builds. The new APUs also support Radeon Anti-Lag, a new feature to reduce controller-to-display lag input times. "
For me that would count. The Deskminis are certainly no gaming machines, feature priorities should be office usage and media playback.
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You are missing an essential difference regarding media output:
"A new feature coming to the APUs is support for 4K protected video streaming, such as Netflix 4K. This is a feature that has been missed on the previous generation, especially as AMD’s APUs have found their way into a number of small form factor systems and HTPC builds. The new APUs also support Radeon Anti-Lag, a new feature to reduce controller-to-display lag input times. "
For me that would count.
Then I guess you found a niche case where it maybe better to get a 3200G; If those are features you'd use. I had no issue streaming content, there was no noticeable input lag with my wireless mouse/keyboard, and FreeSync worked just fine. (EDIT: when I had my 2400G, my buddy has it now and he's very happy with it. I upgraded for no other reason then I could)
For most people having SMT and not needing to purchase an additional cooler would make the 2400G the best value for building their own A300.
I am still hoping the 4400G comes out and just makes the whole comparison a moo point. Those are 10 months away if leaked info can be trusted though? A nerfed 3600 (4/8) with a Navi RDNA iGPU? Sounds to good to be true.
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The 3200G isn't soldered. Doesn't matter though. The 3200G doesn't have higher iGPU clocks... The 2400G has 704 Shaders and the 3200G has 512 Shaders both at 1250Mhz! Both 3,6Ghz base... 2400G with HT, 3200G with slightly higher IPC.
Again, if the 3400G only saw minimal gains over the 2400G in the A300 (and I am ONLY talking about the A300) then I have a hard time believing someone would be better served with a 3200G.
If a 3200G is what you want, and you are happy with it, then that's great. But from my personal testing with the A300 *ShruG*
2400G (and 2200G) are something of a mish-mash of Zen with some minor Zen+ features - from what I can remember (which is likely wrong!) some of the cache improvements were ready and ported to the APUs before Zen+ launched.
But that's what I'm getting at, 2400g already has the IPC improvements of zen+, it just doesn't have the slightly improved power efficiency that 3400g would have from the slightly improved process.
Not exactly - 2400g isn't the same zen as 1xxx ryzen, it has the zen+ cache & boost improvements of 2xxx ryzen.
Just to provide valid info:
en.wikichip.org
en.wikichip.org
In general caches for zen and zen+ are the same:
Key changes from Zen:
Ryzen 5 2400G - AMD - WikiChip
Ryzen 5 2400G is a 64-bit quad-core mid-range performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in early 2018. This processor is based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture and is fabricated on a 14 nm process. The 2400G operates at a base frequency of 3.6 GHz with a TDP of 65 W and a Boost...
en.wikichip.org
Ryzen 5 3400G - AMD - WikiChip
Ryzen 5 3400G is a 64-bit quad-core high-end performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in mid 2019. This processor is based on AMD's Zen+ microarchitecture and is fabricated on a 12 nm process. The 3400G operates at a base frequency of 3.7 GHz with a TDP of 65 W and a Boost...
en.wikichip.org
In general caches for zen and zen+ are the same:
| L1I Cache | 64 KiB/core 4-way set associative |
| L1D Cache | 32 KiB/core 8-way set associative |
| L2 Cache | 512 KiB/core 8-way set associative |
| L3 Cache | 2 MiB/core 16-way set associative |
Key changes from Zen:
- ~10% higher clock frequency
- ~3% single-thread IPC improvement
- 12 nm process (from 14 nm)
- Precision Boost 2(from Precision Boost)
- XFR 2 (from XFR 1)
- Cache
- Improved cache prefetch
- 12 cycle L2 latency for mainstream desktop (from 17 cycles)
- Memory
- Higher DDR4 transfer rate (2933 MT/s from 2666 MT/s)
That's all true for Summit Ridge vs Zen+ CPUs, but not for Raven Ridge. Raven Ridge already had Precision Boost 2 and the 3% increased IPC (which came from the cache optimizations). The big change between 2400G and 3400G is the 12nm process.
AMD introduced Precision Boost 2 with Raven Ridge
In case anyone missed this: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-frequency-bios-fix,40308.html
I am hopeful this bios update will also apply to the APUs since I definitely noticed boosting issues with the 3400G. That could unlock the performance of the CPU from 3.7 -3.8 sustained boost to 3.8 - 4.0.
I am hopeful this bios update will also apply to the APUs since I definitely noticed boosting issues with the 3400G. That could unlock the performance of the CPU from 3.7 -3.8 sustained boost to 3.8 - 4.0.
Just posted this in the deals section, but if anyone is in need Amazon has the 2200G for $60 right now.
The Athlon 200GE is still selling for $57...
The Athlon 200GE is still selling for $57...
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