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CubanLegend

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Don't worry guys, @guryhwa has got us covered!

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I certainly hope so. I'd totally upgrade from my HDPLEX-300 and my Dell-330W to a G-Unique 400w and modded Dell-400w. or maybe I'd spring for a 500W and 500W modded Power brick? :D

We shall see, only time will tell if I'll need to upgrade my PSU solution. I might skip the 1080 Ti Mini if it's not worth the upgrade yet, and I might wait until the next gen Ti mini... if I can hold out that long. I'm still paying off my old S4 mini build slowly at least until November of this year, XD
 
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But guys, big problem, its running off of 2x 8-pin GPU power... No HDPLEX has that many GPU-pin power cables...

We'd have to check with Larry but it could be that you could just split the single 8pin PCIe into two connectors. Just depends on if the PSU could actually handle it that way which I can't say. I've seen plenty of ATX power supplies do this on their stock cables tho...

Edit: @Aibohphobia beat me to it, guess I forgot to refresh my browser lol.
 

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I don't follow, what exactly do you mean by "splitting the 8-pin of the HDPLEX"?
I'm pretty sure he/I means something like this


or like this

That way you can have just one 8pin connector on the PSU end but 2 connectors on the Card end
 
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Dynamo will run it too (2 x 8 pin and higher overhead). Definitely having buyer's remorse on the 1080 mini right now :(
 
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I'm pretty sure he/I means something like this


or like this

That way you can have just one 8pin connector on the PSU end but 2 connectors on the Card end
Hmmm, that seems interesting, how the hell do you get 1 8-pin power connection and properly split it into 2x 8-pins? dont they both have to be native 8-pins? I always thought this was similar to using a molex to GPU-power pin connector, which was usually considered bad... Maybe I'm missing something here? lol
Dynamo will run it too (2 x 8 pin and higher overhead). Definitely having buyer's remorse on the 1080 mini right now :(
what is Dynamo though? And btw don't have buyers remorse, I feel it a bit too, but let's be honest... do we really NEED that much power? Sure if we bought a 1080mini day-1 it might've cost us over $700 USD, where this card will probably cost roughly the same amount now that the 1080's have had their price drop with the introduction of the Ti series.... but do we really NEED a 1080 Ti's power? Not unless we're striving for 4K gaming at 50-60FPS on ultra.

Our measly 1080 mini's can handle 4K at 30-40FPs on Ultra and 50-60FPS on high if we dial back a few settings. ; )
 

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Hmmm, that seems interesting, how the hell do you get 1 8-pin power connection and properly split it into 2x 8-pins? dont they both have to be native 8-pins? I always thought this was similar to using a molex to GPU-power pin connector, which was usually considered bad... Maybe I'm missing something here? lol

As far as I understand it it'd just a matter of getting the right voltages to the right pins on the connectors so essentially all you'd do is put two wires per pin on the PSU end 8pin connector and then just put them in the correct pins on the Card end.

As I understand it the reason using Molex to power a GPU is frowned upon basically comes down to that generally the rail that its attached to in the PSU isn't meant to supply as much current as a GPU might need and thus could cause issues. This is why I said we should check with Larry so that we know what wattage output the 8pin PCIe connector is capable of so we don't cause any issues by turning it into a dual 8pin.
 

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The maximum rated wattage per 8 pin connector is 150W, but realistically they should be able to supply more. The limiting factor with a split 8 pin like you're talking about would likely be the connector ratings on the PSU end. Female Minifit Jr connectors have a max rated amperage of 9A I believe. In the case of the HDPlex they use 4 12V lines (some PSUs use three) which means you can hypothetically move 432W which is more than enough for even the most violently spiking GPU this generation. If you were trying this with a conventional PSU that provides 3 12V lines to the GPU you'd be looking at a max rated wattage of 324W which would potentially cause problems.

Realistically I think the more likely problem you're going to run into pushing a 1080Ti and say 7700K on this unit is possibly coil whine. The major objective as I understand it to providing the added headroom on this unit was to eliminate the coil whine we saw in the last generation.
 
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As far as I understand it it'd just a matter of getting the right voltages to the right pins on the connectors so essentially all you'd do is put two wires per pin on the PSU end 8pin connector and then just put them in the correct pins on the Card end.

As I understand it the reason using Molex to power a GPU is frowned upon basically comes down to that generally the rail that its attached to in the PSU isn't meant to supply as much current as a GPU might need and thus could cause issues. This is why I said we should check with Larry so that we know what wattage output the 8pin PCIe connector is capable of so we don't cause any issues by turning it into a dual 8pin.
Interesting.
The maximum rated wattage per 8 pin connector is 150W, but realistically they should be able to supply more. The limiting factor with a split 8 pin like you're talking about would likely be the connector ratings on the PSU end. Female Minifit Jr connectors have a max rated amperage of 9A I believe. In the case of the HDPlex they use 4 12V lines (some PSUs use three) which means you can hypothetically move 432W which is more than enough for even the most violently spiking GPU this generation. If you were trying this with a conventional PSU that provides 3 12V lines to the GPU you'd be looking at a max rated wattage of 324W which would potentially cause problems.

Realistically I think the more likely problem you're going to run into pushing a 1080Ti and say 7700K on this unit is possibly coil whine. The major objective as I understand it to providing the added headroom on this unit was to eliminate the coil whine we saw in the last generation.
Yes! So it should be possible, sweet. So the only issue/limiter would be coil whine from the 1080Ti or from the HDPLEX-400, which the HDPLEX-400 should have less of anyway, supposedly, lol.
 
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If anyone is looking for a black S4 mini and does not want to wait till September, Dreamcore.com.sg sells the case as well. The cost is the same as if you bought it from Josh direct.
what directions do you have to follow, to get them to ship to the USA ???