ITX laptops & means to build one

plstcks

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I'll have to do some research on this display driver board thing. Since there are so many permutations, it might be sensible to do multiple versions, instead of having one giant board with every kind of input and output on it. The point about OLED and LCD panels is true...that suggests that it would even be worth having an eDP-to-eDP permutation, allowing you to use a display with a different (configurable) pinout.

It should at least be useful to release the board designs so that anyone can manufacture them, or flash custom firmware for them. The supply of these proprietary boards is completely unreliable.


Anyway yes, I agree on making the ecosystem more accessible. By "ecosystem", I mean "custom/DIY laptop ecosystem", broadly, without reference to a particular motherboard. Which is I guess what you're getting at with the separate motherboard tray idea. Focusing on a specific motherboard standard does help narrow down the problem space, but even if not, we do have some common problems in this space, similar to those listed in the OP. I mentioned some of these in my last post, but without a very clear focus on "what keeps people away from this".

...I have many thoughts on every component of this problem, but this post started to get very long. For now I'll provide my thoughts for discussion on what I consider to be the overarching top-level question, which is the motherboard, as it influences everything else. (I'm also interested in hearing your thoughts on making a DIY heatsink, in terms of difficulty and effectiveness. I planned on doing one for the Devotion as well...)

Every motherboard option here has its flaws, which propagate issues down to each component.

Other people [anyon_e] [MNT Reform] [and of course Framework] have approached this decision by making their own motherboards, which disregards existing ecosystems, and places the entire ecosystem maintenance burden on the creator (among other downsides like performance usually), but this approach does offer maximal control.

As for my chosen option, thin-ITX, I'll say its single biggest flaw is that it's a space built around industry, not individuals (retail). This means that even if motherboards exist with the specifications you're looking for, it's often difficult or impossible to buy them retail; for example the IMB-1240-WV (which I am using), or even worse, the eDP variant of the PH12ADI, which has a large MOQ totally unreasonable for an individual. So the entire space is geared towards large orders for business, and this issue propagates down to, for example, eDP cables, which I have never been able to find retail in the right connectors and pinouts, meaning a custom order of several from an Alibaba supplier.

This is the one thing which troubles me the most about my choice of thin-ITX; even though I don't want to be the single point of failure, the best solution I have to offer other people right now is to simply become one of the first businesses to sell some of these thin-ITX components (rare motherboards, eDP cables, Devotion parts...) at retail. Despite all this, I still think it's the best single option.

I think that general-ish, modular solutions to the Devotion's problems will ultimately be a lot more useful and interesting to people than the Devotion project itself, which is just one configuration of those solutions. Maybe "standards" is a bit much to invent from scratch, but "any kind of solution at all that other people can use" would be good!

(I'm also interested in hearing your thoughts on making a DIY heatsink, in terms of difficulty and effectiveness. I planned on doing one for the Devotion as well...)
I would say its very feasible at this point, you can buy heatpipes, copper heatsink blocks, heatclamps, etc, readily off aliexpress, reliability is another question entirely however. Breaking up the cost of the heatsink I made featured in my earlier pictures:
100x50x15 heatsink - $32.62
150mm heatpipes - $17.33
50x50x6mm heatsink clamps - $11.04
lga 1700 heatpipe clamp - $19.97
50mm blower fans - $16.24

$97.20 not including tools, which for me was just a drill and some m4 tapping bits, however designs with bends in the heatpipes would require a tool for that, so another $10. Not exactly the most cost effective, however the heatsink in the second photo of my first post cost just $25.23 and likely provides similar performance. Finding cheaper suppliers off of alibaba could help but in general I would only recommend building custom in specialized builds.

As for my chosen option, thin-ITX, I'll say its single biggest flaw is that it's a space built around industry, not individuals (retail). This means that even if motherboards exist with the specifications you're looking for, it's often difficult or impossible to buy them retail; for example the IMB-1240-WV (which I am using), or even worse, the eDP variant of the PH12ADI, which has a large MOQ totally unreasonable for an individual. So the entire space is geared towards large orders for business, and this issue propagates down to, for example, eDP cables, which I have never been able to find retail in the right connectors and pinouts, meaning a custom order of several from an Alibaba supplier.

This is the one thing which troubles me the most about my choice of thin-ITX; even though I don't want to be the single point of failure, the best solution I have to offer other people right now is to simply become one of the first businesses to sell some of these thin-ITX components (rare motherboards, eDP cables, Devotion parts...) at retail. Despite all this, I still think it's the best single option.
I would definitely agree that thin-itx is most viable at this point, however alot of the systems you are working on could certainly be adapted to other motherboards such as sbcs, etc from what It sounds like. If new/better motherboards with varying standards are made available they can be supported within reason. Thats what I mean by communal standard, outlining general solutions for projects such as these, guidelines, systems, and more.

Maybe "standards" is a bit much to invent from scratch, but "any kind of solution at all that other people can use" would be good!
There might be a better way to communicate what I mean for sure, as of right now I plan to finish my proof of concept build along with documenting it, in the hopes of attracting attention and getting others interested.
 

Essence of Flowers

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Hello all, I am finally out of the medical wood-works for now. Wanted to chime back in on my thoughts looking over things while I sat in bed.

One of the main things i learned while researching which sounds similar to everyone else is, for better or worse, the mobile realm of technology is definitely a wild west of standards being suggestions on the best of days. eDP can have multiple different pin sizes, pinouts, etc. and the info is rarely readily available for verifying.

Likewise, I've been met with similar grief with CPU coolers, you either have to work around Intel's low profile horizontal fan, or enter the realm of costume rigging together an air cooler. A friend of mine did get my interest however with an alternative solution that's still budding, a few manufacturers are making solid state coolers now, he specifically directed me towards Frore's Airjet line as the use cases seems to be CPU cooling. However, much like thin-ITX, we're dealing with something meant mostly for industrial use, is not widely available, and as it stands right now, isnt even something i could see being reasonably mounted onto a motherboard.

I approach this all from the perspective of someone who intends to make a custom built laptop purely for myself, but I'm also approaching this from the basis of "I want this thing to be sustainably able to live as long as I do." which means niche parts that may not survive the decade is not ideal. Its for this reason that I've abandoned the idea of mini-ITX being a viable option, I think removing the I/O nonstop is not realistic every generational update, and most importantly, eDP on mini-ITX is not at all normal or standard. Thin-ITX is the future in that respect as it seems like the standard isnt going anywhere, but I do wish to see a future where its considered commercially viable to ensure industry standards changing over time don't spell the death of it. This is where CPU coolers being "this one specific model of Intel or bust" is an issue. It could just be that setting up a CPU cooler for these "ITX Laptops" is a custom endeavor comparable to that of liquid cooling, but ideally there's a nice middle ground inbetween the realm of "relying on intel to keep a niche CPU fan standard alive" vs "Just custom build your cooling solution".

Wow this is getting long, but i think to try and close out.

I think @devotion-laptop is on the mark that display panels need a solution that would work with an universal controller board, not just because I don't think there's any way to enforce/establish a standard, but also because ultimately, I think people will want touch panels and the like, and a controller board can come with the option to provide that via USB. For the sake of my project, I'm probably going to be biting the bullet and using a LVDS LCD, but that's largely to simplify the project for myself, I realize this probably will be tech-debt for future me as more and more companies move to eDP.

One last thing that I think is worth bringing up, I think its worth researching and looking into the Oculink standard for graphics. I've found a group of hackers who have been giving their steamdecks graphics cards via it, you can interface oculink via a spare m.2 slot and the performance loss is actually quite minimal when compared to its thunderbolt cousin. The only issue with Oculink is that it is NOT a hotswappable standard, meaning you must boot down the computer before and after connecting and disconnecting. This is quite a small price to pay however, as the benefit is being able to push the GPU onto an external GPU/dock setup, which would allow end users to rely on integrated graphics for light workloads/light gaming, and then should they want a more intense workhorse they can dock to a traditional desktop setup, getting a full fledged monitors, keyboard/mouse, and the external GPU to provide stronger performance. Such a setup could also appeal to enthusiast PC builders, who have GPUs way too large to ever fit into a laptop.

@plstcks by the way, amazing work with your project so far, I'll definitely reach out to you I'd love to share notes.
 

plstcks

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Oct 8, 2025
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Hello all, I am finally out of the medical wood-works for now. Wanted to chime back in on my thoughts looking over things while I sat in bed.

One of the main things i learned while researching which sounds similar to everyone else is, for better or worse, the mobile realm of technology is definitely a wild west of standards being suggestions on the best of days. eDP can have multiple different pin sizes, pinouts, etc. and the info is rarely readily available for verifying.

Likewise, I've been met with similar grief with CPU coolers, you either have to work around Intel's low profile horizontal fan, or enter the realm of costume rigging together an air cooler. A friend of mine did get my interest however with an alternative solution that's still budding, a few manufacturers are making solid state coolers now, he specifically directed me towards Frore's Airjet line as the use cases seems to be CPU cooling. However, much like thin-ITX, we're dealing with something meant mostly for industrial use, is not widely available, and as it stands right now, isnt even something i could see being reasonably mounted onto a motherboard.

I approach this all from the perspective of someone who intends to make a custom built laptop purely for myself, but I'm also approaching this from the basis of "I want this thing to be sustainably able to live as long as I do." which means niche parts that may not survive the decade is not ideal. Its for this reason that I've abandoned the idea of mini-ITX being a viable option, I think removing the I/O nonstop is not realistic every generational update, and most importantly, eDP on mini-ITX is not at all normal or standard. Thin-ITX is the future in that respect as it seems like the standard isnt going anywhere, but I do wish to see a future where its considered commercially viable to ensure industry standards changing over time don't spell the death of it. This is where CPU coolers being "this one specific model of Intel or bust" is an issue. It could just be that setting up a CPU cooler for these "ITX Laptops" is a custom endeavor comparable to that of liquid cooling, but ideally there's a nice middle ground inbetween the realm of "relying on intel to keep a niche CPU fan standard alive" vs "Just custom build your cooling solution".

Wow this is getting long, but i think to try and close out.

I think @devotion-laptop is on the mark that display panels need a solution that would work with an universal controller board, not just because I don't think there's any way to enforce/establish a standard, but also because ultimately, I think people will want touch panels and the like, and a controller board can come with the option to provide that via USB. For the sake of my project, I'm probably going to be biting the bullet and using a LVDS LCD, but that's largely to simplify the project for myself, I realize this probably will be tech-debt for future me as more and more companies move to eDP.

One last thing that I think is worth bringing up, I think its worth researching and looking into the Oculink standard for graphics. I've found a group of hackers who have been giving their steamdecks graphics cards via it, you can interface oculink via a spare m.2 slot and the performance loss is actually quite minimal when compared to its thunderbolt cousin. The only issue with Oculink is that it is NOT a hotswappable standard, meaning you must boot down the computer before and after connecting and disconnecting. This is quite a small price to pay however, as the benefit is being able to push the GPU onto an external GPU/dock setup, which would allow end users to rely on integrated graphics for light workloads/light gaming, and then should they want a more intense workhorse they can dock to a traditional desktop setup, getting a full fledged monitors, keyboard/mouse, and the external GPU to provide stronger performance. Such a setup could also appeal to enthusiast PC builders, who have GPUs way too large to ever fit into a laptop.

@plstcks by the way, amazing work with your project so far, I'll definitely reach out to you I'd love to share notes.
Likewise, I've been met with similar grief with CPU coolers, you either have to work around Intel's low profile horizontal fan, or enter the realm of costume rigging together an air cooler. A friend of mine did get my interest however with an alternative solution that's still budding, a few manufacturers are making solid state coolers now, he specifically directed me towards Frore's Airjet line as the use cases seems to be CPU cooling. However, much like thin-ITX, we're dealing with something meant mostly for industrial use, is not widely available, and as it stands right now, isnt even something i could see being reasonably mounted onto a motherboard.
I would be interested to know if there have been any developments on that front, last time I heard about these solutions the energy efficiency + density wasnt there yet.

but I do wish to see a future where its considered commercially viable to ensure industry standards changing over time don't spell the death of it.
I would imagine thin-itx will remain commercialy available through the next decade but considering the overall move away from low end gpus I doubt many future thin-itx boards will feature pcie slots, oculink as you mentioned is probably a more viable option anyway.
 

devotion-laptop

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Nov 14, 2023
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jrfg-electronics.co.uk
@plstcks
This is good info, thanks. So the barrier to entry isn't quite as high as I thought - I didn't know the heatpipe clamps were off-the-shelf. I'll drop you a message on Discord.

@Essence of Flowers
Good points about touch panels and oculink...I'm still getting set up with the whole online store thing, but let me know if you're already interested in an eDP cable or a certain board.

(Anyone can) feel free to reach out over PM, Discord (jrfg_electronics), or email james.grunewald@jrfg-electronics.co.uk.
If anything comes of it which is worth sharing, I'll copy it in a post somewhere here for visibility. (It's a shame when valuable public discussion gets lost)
 
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