Advice Help with Mobo choice for mini-ITX, Low-TDP, No-Gaming, No-GPU

[PVC]

In-Win Chopin mini-ITX case
Motherboard???
Ryzen 5 4400G (AMD 4000 Renoir) 6c/12t (3.7 - 4.2 GHz) Vega7-448SPs-1900 MHz 65W TDP (coming soon, not yet available)
Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 2x 8GB DDR4-3200 CL16 Dual Channel Kit
Noctua NH-L9i with AM4 conversion kit

Storage: Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe 3.0/Gen 3 M.2 2280
Storage secondary: Samsung 970 EVO 500GB 2.5 Inch SATA III- (I already have this SSD from another build)

Looking for Help with choice of motherboard, I don't care about (WiFi / PCIe 4.0 / discrete GPU-card) .

• I have given up on this build with Two PCIe 4.0/Gen4 NVMe sticks
• I have also given up on PCIe 4.0/Gen 4 altogether because aside from the above configuration, PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 3.0 have similar performance
• I have also given up on more than one NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 sticks because of lack of CPU support (or bandwidth contention) for the second NVMe PCIe stick

 

[PVC]

My favorite mobo choice would be the Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO. However, I have seen reports that say it will not fit into InWin Chopin without dremel grinding modifications. Therefore I would have to switch to a different case if I used the Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO.

TRYNA to stay with the InWin Chopin case if possible.

 

[dzungitx]

I'm using X2Nv3, support 1 SSD, up to 3 M.2 (1back+1front on mainboard, 1 via PCIe adapter), high power for R5G,R7G, good temp of CPU+M.2. And, smaller than Chopin.

 

[Legion]

In-Win Chopin mini-ITX case
Motherboard???

IF any of the B450 ITX motherboards get a bios supporting Ryzen 4000 APU's soon, any of them are more than capable of running any of the Ryzen 4000 APU's.
B550 and X570 is pretty much wasted considering your requirements !!!

 

[PVC]

Thanks! That is very helpful.

 

[PVC]

Apologies if this is already asked and answered... I am a little fuzzy about planning for thermal loads. All three of these new AMD 4000 Renoir APUs are listed as (Default TDP 65W). But surely an (8-core/16-Thread) APU will run hotter than a (4-core/8-Thread) APU.

I would like to get as much performance as possible packed into a mini-ITX build. So how do I estimate the thermal capacity of a small 3.5 Liter case like the Inwin Chopin. Can I put an (8-core/16-Thread) APU into a case that small using integrated graphics???

• Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G 8c/16t (3.6-4.4 GHz) 12MBcache Vega-8cores-512SPs-2100 MHz DefTDP-65W
• Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G 6c/12t (3.7-4.2 GHz) 11MBcache Vega-7cores-448SPs-1900 MHz DefTDP-65W
• Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G 4c/8t (3.8-4.0 GHz) 6MBcache Vega-6cores-???SPs-1700 MHz DefTDP-65W

 

[RogueLeader]

Apologies if this is already asked and answered... I am a little fuzzy about planning for thermal loads. All three of these new AMD 4000 Renoir APUs are listed as (Default TDP 65W). But surely an (8-core/16-Thread) APU will run hotter than a (4-core/8-Thread) APU.

I would like to get as much performance as possible packed into a mini-ITX build. So how do I estimate the thermal capacity of a small 3.5 Liter case like the Inwin Chopin. Can I put an (8-core/16-Thread) APU into a case that small using integrated graphics???

• Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G 8c/16t (3.6-4.4 GHz) 12MBcache Vega-8cores-512SPs-2100 MHz DefTDP-65W
• Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G 6c/12t (3.7-4.2 GHz) 11MBcache Vega-7cores-448SPs-1900 MHz DefTDP-65W
• Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G 4c/8t (3.8-4.0 GHz) 6MBcache Vega-6cores-???SPs-1700 MHz DefTDP-65W

if you watch this video, it will give you some ideas :



my thoughts are that you'll need to have your case modded, for better cooling.

but the video is much more specific.

 

[PVC]

Thanks, that gives me two ideas;

1. Case-mods with fans protruding out the side kinda defeats the purpose of a SFF build
2. If you have to use case-mods for a Ryzen-5 mini-ITX build, as apposed to using a low-profile-fan such as (Noctua NH-L9i) then there ain't no way I would ever get away with dropping Ryzen 7 (8-core/16-Thread) APU into a 3.5 Liter Inwin Chopin, right?

Maybe if I want to use the Ryzen 7 (8-core/16-Thread) APU, then I may need to switch to a mid-tower case?

 

[PVC]

Thanks for the offer, I have a few things to figure out first. I think I will start another thread about thermal questions.

 

[Legion]

I would like to get as much performance as possible packed into a mini-ITX build. So how do I estimate the thermal capacity of a small 3.5 Liter case like the Inwin Chopin. Can I put an (8-core/16-Thread) APU into a case that small using integrated graphics???

What "exactly" is it you want this build to do?
What workloads will you be placing on it?
If it's just web browsing, occasional Photoshop and general office work there is nothing to worry about !!!

Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G can use 144w of power when loading both the CPU and iGPU concurrently

Take a look at this article for some ideas of power and thermals.
With the limited amount of information available on the the new APU's (so far) this is about the best article I've seen yet.

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