Prototyping FormD-P1 (Sidearmd) 280/240AIO Support Case

Vacceo

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E.S. Kim, all else equal, 360mm radiator is unlikely to outperform a 280mm radiator in a meaningful way. When you can't get more than 2C of difference, it might as well be human error and or standard variation from components.

* rough estimate of 360 radiator surface area = 120*120*3=43,200 mm
* rough estimate of 280 radiator surface area = 140*140*2=39,200mm
* while this math is not the right way to calculate, but looking at about 10% difference, that difference doesn't translate into meaningful performance gap

240 and 280 are ideal for the proportions and cooling capacity I'm going for.

I only added the 280mm radiator support for Threadripper builds.
How thick can the radiator get? Up to something like a HWL GTX counting 25mm fans?
 

Wahaha360

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How thick can the radiator get? Up to something like a HWL GTX counting 25mm fans?
30mm thick radiators, again, keeping the volume and footprint low.

The performance of most copper 280 by 30mm thick radiator on Noctua fans is overkill for 99% of the builds for SFF - even for low noise builds.
 
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Vacceo

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30mm thick radiators, again, keeping the volume and footprint low.

The performance of most copper 280 by 30mm thick radiator on Noctua fans is overkill for 99% of the builds for SFF - even for low noise builds.
You can definetly get nice temps out of a radiator like that for a loop with a GPU and CPU as long as you don´t overclock. It will not be 40 ºC, sure, but componentes can run perfectly fine at 60ºC. The effects of tubing over a long time are not ideal, but replacing soft tubing is far from expensive.
 

Jayanth

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My only issue with a vertical layout is that it’s not easy to access the cables. I move my PC around a lot (and maybe a lot of SFF enthusiasts are in the same boat), so if it was vertical, it’d be important for me to be able to easily remove the panel that covers them.

My ideal setup would have an internal thunderbolt dock or something, so I’d just have to plug a USB C and power, but I don’t think any mITX do this yet. Hopefully soon!
 

zzmadd

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My only issue with a vertical layout is that it’s not easy to access the cables. I move my PC around a lot (and maybe a lot of SFF enthusiasts are in the same boat), so if it was vertical, it’d be important for me to be able to easily remove the panel that covers them.

My ideal setup would have an internal thunderbolt dock or something, so I’d just have to plug a USB C and power, but I don’t think any mITX do this yet. Hopefully soon!
Thunderbolt? Are there internal Thunderbolt headers boards?
 

Jayanth

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Thunderbolt? Are there internal Thunderbolt headers boards?
I think the Asrock x570 board has a thunderbolt port, but it doesn't have a passthrough for a GPU signal. For this concept to work, the motherboard would need a video input, and the GPU would need an internal video output.
 

rfarmer

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I think the Asrock x570 board has a thunderbolt port, but it doesn't have a passthrough for a GPU signal. For this concept to work, the motherboard would need a video input, and the GPU would need an internal video output.

The Asrock does have TB3 and it does have a DP input on the motherboard for GPU pass through.
 
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sancho

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30mm thick radiators, again, keeping the volume and footprint low.

The performance of most copper 280 by 30mm thick radiator on Noctua fans is overkill for 99% of the builds for SFF - even for low noise builds.
The best and most efficient are copper radiators (1 - Koolance FPI30, 2 - XSPC FPI22). All other results are approximately the same.
 

scub4st3v3

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I was enamored with DSE's Vertex, but unfortunately it looks like it will never see the light of day. I was excited for SV540/590, but it just barely missed the mark for me in anesthetics.

This case will more than scratch my Vertex itch. I can't wait for it to enter production.
 

Metroversal

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I have a 360 radiator in 7 liters (even a little more) and it feels great
360 single rad or 240 + 120? That would make a difference.

Also, I think the purpose is to make things relatively simple for most people, I know this forum is full of mad men that can fit LOTS of stuff in a tiny space.
 

sancho

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You look, it’s just that all these cases inherit the same structural errors (the arrangement of the main elements inside the case does not differ significantly). Why place the radiators below if they do not perform their functions 100%. And the power supply is almost everything put on the side (it does not emit so much heat !!). I understand coming up with something new and original is always more difficult than remaking someone else's and with the same mistakes
 

sancho

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360 single rad or 240 + 120? That would make a difference.

Also, I think the purpose is to make things relatively simple for most people, I know this forum is full of mad men that can fit LOTS of stuff in a tiny space.
I meant the total dissipated power. And what I did, everyone can do. The set may include 3-4 power cables, 2 copper tubes and 9 fittings with a water block for the processor and that's it !!! Everyone can buy radiators, a pump, coolers and soft tubes independently. But it is a very high-quality and productive system.