DAN C4-SFX

[Covuk]

To minimize the risk of thread stripping. The NCASE M1 has had those since 2019.


Maybe not completely solid, but with reduced perforation surface instead? Personally, I'd rather have less cooling than more dust and noise (coil whine is a thing). As for the classic layout, it seems to work just fine for the overwhelming majority of PC cases out there.

Stripping what threads? If I recall, the only threads are for the motherboard standoffs.

The inverted layout is far better for cooling - I tried both setups in v1.

Seems like you're after a fundamentally different case - there are plenty on the market that suit your requirements.

 

[Aluminyum]

Stripping what threads? If I recall, the only threads are for the motherboard standoffs.

Those that secure the video card.

The inverted layout is far better for cooling - I tried both setups in v1.

Perhaps, but it's definitely not better for dust or noise.

Seems like you're after a fundamentally different case - there are plenty on the market that suit your requirements.

Is that a suggestion for me to leave? If so, I'd like to remind you that my questions were addressed to @dondan, and you don't really seem like him.

 

[Covuk]

Those that secure the video card

Ok

Perhaps, but it's definitely not better for dust or noise.

Again, not in my experience with the previous version of the case, but ok.

Is that a suggestion for me to leave? If so, I'd like to remind you that my questions were addressed to @dondan, and you don't really seem like him.

No, just that that your comments suggest that you're after a fundamentally different case than the one on offer, given it's now about to be finalised and sent to production.

 

[Aluminyum]

No, just that that your comments suggest that you're after a fundamentally different case than the one on offer, given it's now about to be finalised and sent to production.

Dan asked us for "more feedback", which would imply the design is yet to be finalized, though I may have misunderstood. Either way, my only suggestion was about the air tunnel; the rest were, again, questions.

As for "a fundamentally different case"... Let's just say that I'm fairly well familiar with the present-day SFF market, yet I could not find my perfect case out there. So I've been searching for the least imperfect case, and now I'm trying to figure out whether the upcoming C4-SFX is the one.

 

[dondan]

The air-tunnel thing seems of questionable benefit to me: wouldn't some hot air get trapped around the VRM?

In my opinion, back-to-front airflow with a side fan exhausting hot air from both CPU and GPU would be a better idea. Bonus points for removing the rear grill altogether, since a standalone one could be better for both noise and performance.

And a few questions, if I may:

1. Is there a way to use the case in the classic, non-inverted layout?

2. Are there going to be solid and/or glass panels available as an option?

3. What is the front-panel USB bandwidth?

4. Still no steel threaded inserts? :/

On most tower heatsinks like the D12L or 120mini the fan is also a bit under the fin stack and will stream vrms.

1. no - inverted is superior to non-inverted
2. no it would work against thermal concept exhaust over the side
3. your motherboard will be the limiting factor
4. The old Ncase M1 does use 1.5mm thick sheet metal for inner parts. The C4 does use 1.2mm steel. Steel is much stronger i never heard about stripped threads. Als the C4 does use UNC threads that are also better than DIN threads. On sub 1mm steel threaded inserts or deep stamp thread surface is required but not on 1.2mm

 

[Aluminyum]

On most tower heatsinks like the D12L or 120mini the fan is also a bit under the fin stack and will stream vrms.

Yep, hence my concern about trapped air.

And thanks for answering my questions. I thought that aluminium is used for the threaded parts, so that's reassuring. On a slightly unrelated note, are there any preliminary specs for the next A4-SFX?

 

[dondan]

My plan is to make it under 10L and focus on air cooling. 120mm top fans, 3Slot gpu with heatsinks up to 60mm or 2.5 Slot with 70mm.

 

[dondan]

Asus ROG 5090 and Thermalright PA120SE does fit in the C4-MATX version.

 

[Rem Freeman]

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Asus ROG 5090 and Thermalright PA120SE does fit in the C4-MATX version.

Very cool! And if I'm looking at this correctly, it appears that even with a full-sized 5090 GPU being used, two (I'm assuming slim) fans can still fit above it to pump in cool air, right?

 

[dondan]

yes 2x140 slim or 3x120 slim

 

[absolutelyderek]

Damn, looks great.

I am using an A3 to fit GPU and MATX has been pretty sweet. Excited for the new C4!

 

[spacemonQee]

Very cool! And if I'm looking at this correctly, it appears that even with a full-sized 5090 GPU being used, two (I'm assuming slim) fans can still fit above it to pump in cool air, right?

I doubt two top intake fans would benefit the GPU much...

 

[D90]

I doubt two top intake fans would benefit the GPU much...

You would be wrong

 

[Dampfbox]

Asus ROG 5090 and Thermalright PA120SE does fit in the C4-MATX version.

Now all you need to do is release it before the Asus ROG 6090, I guess

 

[SFFMunkee]

Now all you need to do is release it before the Asus ROG 6090, I guess

If ROG is still a thing then. Might be PRIME or Astral instead

 

[Dampfbox]

If ROG is still a thing then. Might be PRIME or Astral instead

well, Astral is a subset of ROG, the RTX 5090 he was referring to is called "Asus ROG Astral RTX 5090"

And PRIME Series will not replace ROG...so yes, there will be a ROG 6090, quote me on that

 

[SFFMunkee]

well, Astral is a subset of ROG, the RTX 5090 he was referring to is called "Asus ROG Astral RTX 5090"

And PRIME Series will not replace ROG...so yes, there will be a ROG 6090, quote me on that

Fair point, I've just noticed their marketing seems to be moving more and more away from the ROG brand, more relating to motherboards than GPUs though.

Also I ended up getting a Corsair H115i RGB for like $90 AUD so I threw that into my C4-SFX