I’m pro Torx. Looks nicer and doesn’t strip. Plus if anyone ever needs to replace one they can replace it with a Phillips or even a flathead if they’re insane.
Yup, torx or hex is the best option.
I’m pro Torx. Looks nicer and doesn’t strip. Plus if anyone ever needs to replace one they can replace it with a Phillips or even a flathead if they’re insane.
So we're talking a minimum of about 40% increase in yield assuming 18-8 over something like 1022. If you use the proper size phillips and keep your inner Hulk suppressed, then stripping shouldn't be a problem.I certainly understand that. It's why we switched to stainless steel screws for the production batch.
I'm curious as to what people would prefer between Philips w/ no included tool, and Hex drive flat heads, with an included L-key? I'm a bit wary of using Torx because I find that the benefits it provides over a hex drive are not so great that it warrants the extra inconvenience. (I'm aware that Apple uses Torx, but they also do it because they don't want you inside their machines )
Trust, but Verify.
I think that since Phillips is easier to replace it shouldn't be included since you can buy them easily. You cant buy good Torx screws easily. Hex would be ok too I just want something that wont strip the moment I cough on it.
I’m pro Torx. Looks nicer and doesn’t strip. Plus if anyone ever needs to replace one they can replace it with a Phillips or even a flathead if they’re insane.
So we're talking a minimum of about 40% increase in yield assuming 18-8 over something like 1022. If you use the proper size phillips and keep your inner Hulk suppressed, then stripping shouldn't be a problem.
My problem is that I can unscrew a Phillips screw with the wrong size. I sorta forget that there is a correct sized bit because the one I have right next to me works anyways. Result is I slowly strip the screw because I over tighten. The screw is tight but because of the wrong bit size, there is some wiggle. I bet thats how alot of ppl strip their screws. Torx screws will remove this problem because I reckon that the only torx bit ppl will have is for Winter One. It will be The Winter One Screw.I've been faffing with Torx screws for the past 15 years in electronics and indeed computer chassis (UK) and they do have their advantages, but most of that can be negated if you use the correct driver for Phillips and don't tighten it like a crack addled silverback.
I once took apart my MacBook which had both torx and phillips. Even with the proper sized bits from the ifixit tool kit, I still managed to strip a bit of paint off the Phillips but the torx screws were pristine. I do like how you can apply more torque to a torx without it slipping. Torx were actually more forgiving to my clumsy caffeine fueled hands.I have torx screws for my Ghost S1 and once I got a proper set of drivers they are very nice. I used to have a MI-6 and the designer used zinc plated steel screws which were really nice. I never had any issues with paint flaking or stripping the screws.
@WinterCharm What's the max gpu length if one want to use dual 280 rads + D5 pump? Is there any gpu compatible with such config except Ampere FE cards? I was thinking about such build, but as the things stands there is still no official FE seller in Poland and the last drop of FE cards for Poles was two months ago, since then nothing :/
Depends on your D5 top and orientation, but you need to keep the GPU to no more than about 232mm in length. Thankfully, most reference 3090 or 3080 blocks are ~230mm so you should have some options.
I was thinking about using XSPC D5 Res v3, Alphacool Eisdecke Top/Res combo or Alphacool Eisfluegel + Eisdecke. Those are the smallest top/res combos I could find.
yes, it's called pentalobe screw@WinterCharm FWIW Apple doesn't use Torx which is a standard six point but some weird 5 point screw head.
I'm gutted I missed the KS but I can't wait for Batch 2.
3 questions, apologies if I've missed the answer to either.
The power switch, is the cut out circular if so what diameter as I'd like to perhaps swap it for a vandal switch if possible.
Any chance of getting the screw sizes for the case, I'm also in the boat of preferring torx so would like to swap them out ideally.
If I went with a single 280, would that open allowing for DTX? If so any idea on the clearance beneath as to whether I could fit fans etc.
@WinterCharm I think a fastener list is desired in order to give those with a torx/hex preference a chance to search and order their equivalent fasteners before batch 1 arrives. (Please don't let this distract you from the QA/QC work you previously mentioned)
So we're talking a minimum of about 40% increase in yield assuming 18-8 over something like 1022. If you use the proper size phillips and keep your inner Hulk suppressed, then stripping shouldn't be a problem.
I can appreciate a the visual appeal of a torx fastener... However, my OCD is gonna go crazy if every screw on the case is not torx - and I despise having to use multiple (sizes/types) of tools to work on something, and this would be the only PC related device that I'd need to get my Torx drivers for. Aside from appearances, I think Torx is completely unnecessary here... and probably a cost-up?
I agree 100%. The other guys have mentioned stripping philips head screws several times. I haven't had any issues when using the appropriate size screw driver, and I've seen almost every popular youtuber use the wrong screw driver and then complain about stripping.
If you insist on something other than quality, stainless philips, I could get on board with hex and a hex driver included.
My preference is a stainless philips used throughout.
Is it too late to make torx an opt-in option? Idk when this stuff gets determined. Maybe send them separately?
I have to admit that I prefer hex/torx to phillips. That being said, Linus will ding you for not using phillips . Either way, I can always source my own screws if I really feel that motivated. Use whatever makes the most sense for the wide audience.
@WinterCharm What's the max gpu length if one want to use dual 280 rads + D5 pump? Is there any gpu compatible with such config except Ampere FE cards? I was thinking about such build, but as the things stands there is still no official FE seller in Poland and the last drop of FE cards for Poles was two months ago, since then nothing :/
Will an ifiixit toolkit have the correct bits for the case?
Phillips 000, 00, 0, 1, 2
Torx T2, T3, T4, T5
Security Torx TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15, TR20, TR25
Hex 0.7, 0.9, 1.3, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5 mm
Just for giggles:
Pentalobe P2, P5, P6
I've been faffing with Torx screws for the past 15 years in electronics and indeed computer chassis (UK) and they do have their advantages, but most of that can be negated if you use the correct driver for Phillips and don't tighten it like a crack addled silverback.
My problem is that I can unscrew a Phillips screw with the wrong size. I sorta forget that there is a correct sized bit because the one I have right next to me works anyways. Result is I slowly strip the screw because I over tighten. The screw is tight but because of the wrong bit size, there is some wiggle. I bet thats how alot of ppl strip their screws.
I once took apart my MacBook which had both torx and phillips. Even with the proper sized bits from the ifixit tool kit, I still managed to strip a bit of paint off the Phillips but the torx screws were pristine. I do like how you can apply more torque to a torx without it slipping. Torx were actually more forgiving to my clumsy caffeine fueled hands.
@WinterCharm FWIW Apple doesn't use Torx which is a standard six point but some weird 5 point screw head.