PPC is out of the regular black version but they still have the crossflow and the white GTS 280.
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Stalled Winter One -- 15.6L SFF case, 3090 Support, 3-slot GPUs, dual 280mm radiators, CFD Optimized Design
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I might make the most of the pricing here in the UK and order mine in advance!
Yeah the timestamp on the post explains my math. *yawn* Sorry about the confusion.
I'm buying components for a case that isn't even guaranteed to be manufactured yet. The hell is wrong with me?
Yeah. Up until now ALL the thermal performance of Winter One has been under-estimated and under-reported. I don't think people realize just how well this case cools, because I basically went around gathering every spare % of optimization, and adding it all together, in designing this thing. Seeing Qzrx's reaction, when their build was utterly silent during a heatwave with ambient temps in 85F / 30C range was really fun. Their previous build would hit emergency max fan speed and coolant temps of 50ºC in those same conditions, and yet there was winter one With 40% of its thermal capabilities still left on the table shrugging off those conditions like it was a chilly fall morning. And this was while running a TORTURE TEST on the CPU + GPU...
I really don't think any of you will understand until you actually build in this thing... it's something you have to experience for yourself, before it hits you, just how completely insane the cooling performance of this case is.
I really want you all to understand just how far I pushed the aero and acoustics in this case. I shit you not, there is an external SSD with 252GB of aero data sitting on it, just for Winter One. (not the SPK, that's literally another external SSD) -- and y
Yup. Welcome to levers. From where it is bending, looks like the weight of the GPU is exerting a massive outward force around the bottom ⅔ of that panel. I'm not sure exactly what grade / material the aluminum is made of in your case, but it's definitely bending. O_O
There's a very good reason Winter One is made almost entirely out of Aluminum 6061-T6 Cold-finished (more properly Cold-rolled T651 billets, for those of you who know your metallurgy) 6061 is heated, then quenched, then tempered / aged for 8 hours, and *then* cold-rolled. Those last few steps increase its strength, stiffness, and straightness beyond "regular" 6061 or 5052 (the two most common alloys).
The bottom and top panels are the same. -- Feet are attached to the holes via a custom countersunk washer (gives clearance to fans above / below. The feet can also easily be respositioned onto the holes in the side panels, meaning you can use the original feet to place the case horizontally. For horizontal cooling, it's best to set flow in one direction (even with perforated panels), as the case is designed to create an "air jacket" that prevents recirculation of hot exhaust air in this configuration.
Here's the Air Jacket. See how it seals the space between the intake / exhaust, on the side with the feet? That prevents hot air coming out of the left from looping back around to the intake on the right.
What has made Winter One's airflow *so* tricky to optimize, and so damn difficult, and so incredibly good, was accounting for **ALL** orientations and panel types, and still achieving the airflow necessary in every scenario... Vertical, horizontal, all-exhaust, balanced, etc... It was brutally difficult finding the correct design and range of hole arrangements, sizes, lengths, edge characteristics, and all the other little details, to create something of this caliber.
PS: you need 2cm of space between any panel that's exhausting or intaking air, and a nearby wall, so please don't shove it in a tiny cabinet with no space on each side -- the feet are 2cm tall for a very good reason.
A) No nothing has changed. The beta testers will tell you this: I like to leave 1mm of "extra" tolerance on every claimed part fit. So while Winter One officially supports 55mm radiators/fans, the "true" number is 57mm. You will have a *very* tight fit, but it will fit, assuming your chosen fans are toleranced on the outside edge (27mm -0.4mm), and not 27±0.2mm ?.
The reason everything fit perfectly in the Beta units is that this type of padding is necessary if you want to not run into a barely-in-tolerance part being unable to fit. Minor variations matter, hence the official numbers in the sizing chart.
B) It is, provided your GPU is short enough to give you the clearance to do so. The Cad model shot I posted a while back, showing a pump/res was with a shorter GPU. With 315mm GPU length, there is room in Winter one to use something like a 240mm card, giving you 75mm of clearance, for a D5 pump such as the Swiftech MCP655 with a pump top, while using dual 280mm radiators. This is entirely possible, as reference Design PCBs for the 3080 / 3090 are just 220mm in length, even though the *coolers* are much larger, water blocks like the EK block for these designs also top out at 220mm length
Which leaves room for a D5 with a res. Hehehe oops. ?
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Heads up for anyone considering the xflow 280 - it will not fit. The total length is 326mm, which is well over the amount of clearance we have. I went with white GTS rads.
B) It is, provided your GPU is short enough to give you the clearance to do so. The Cad model shot I posted a while back, showing a pump/res was with a shorter GPU. With 315mm GPU length, there is room in Winter one to use something like a 240mm card, giving you 75mm of clearance, for a D5 pump such as the Swiftech MCP655 with a pump top, while using dual 280mm radiators. This is entirely possible, as reference Design PCBs for the 3080 / 3090 are just 220mm in length, even though the *coolers* are much larger, water blocks like the EK block for these designs also top out at 220mm length
This is incredibly helpful. Building a 5950X + 3080 FE, both on water, with two 280 GTS rads. Would this D5 pump / res combo fit? The dimensions are here for reference (78 x 91 x 198mm).
@WinterCharm where does the Quadro mount on the case? Is the mount still clear with dual 280 rads?
I have been having a trawl on the UK sites and I see the same. I guess the other option is the B-RD280-TN then. Seems to be the other radiator supported
Guess I should make this in to a list then.
HWL280GTS - 312mm x 153mm x 29.6mm - 16 FPI - 16 flow channels , twin pass
HWL L OEM - 310mm x 140mm x 30mm - 16FPI - 14 Flow channels, twin pass (eg. XR5, Bitspower Leviathan)
B-RD280-TN - 310mm x 142mm x 29mm - 14 FPI - 17 flow channels, single pass
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Here's a tidbit of info for everyone here. All the HWL rebrands are using the HWL L-series radiator. The rebrand just throws a name on the side and increases the price.
https://www.performance-pcs.com/wat...-series-280-stealth-radiator-nls280-f2pb.html
However, don't expect the L-series (rebrands) to perform as well as the GTS.
Yep, the L series is effectively a GTS core minus 2 water tubes. The resulting radiator has higher flow restriction (and GTS is a pretty high restriction rad to begin with) and narrower.
Nonetheless, I still like the bitspower leviathan as they have 4 ports total vs 2 on most other.
It looks as if the Leviathan is the only option in the UK currently as everywhere is out of stock of the HWL rads :/
Only issue that I see is the reservoir is too tall -- you really want something under 154mm for height, so try and get a Res that's 150mm or 100mm tall, and you'll be fine
but other than a shorter tube, it should be okay.
Only found out about this project recently, but instantly backed it when I saw what you’re doing! Love the look/design of the case, and having the panels of the case basically be the entire “support structure” is genius - frees up a bunch of space inside the case.
I’m coming from a NCASE M1, and it’s a great case - been using it for 4+ years - but just too tight and not enough air flow for my tastes. I need cooler temps, especially since getting my hands on a 3080.
Two questions:
1) I currently have a 240mm NZXT AIO - did you think an AIO such as this will play nice with the case? Most of the water cooling discussion in this thread seems to be around custom loops, which is not a thing I’m actively looking to get into.
2) Will we eventually be able to buy different side panels? I’m going with the perforated panels because I want maximum airflow/cooling capability, but I do like the look of the solid of the solid panels and would like to someday play around with mixing and matching different panels.
Super excited for this project - now I just hope it gets funded. Good luck!
I’m coming from a NCASE M1, and it’s a great case - been using it for 4+ years - but just too tight and not enough air flow for my tastes. I need cooler temps, especially since getting my hands on a 3080.
Two questions:
1) I currently have a 240mm NZXT AIO - did you think an AIO such as this will play nice with the case? Most of the water cooling discussion in this thread seems to be around custom loops, which is not a thing I’m actively looking to get into.
2) Will we eventually be able to buy different side panels? I’m going with the perforated panels because I want maximum airflow/cooling capability, but I do like the look of the solid of the solid panels and would like to someday play around with mixing and matching different panels.
Super excited for this project - now I just hope it gets funded. Good luck!
Can’t see why 240 AIO’s would have any problem fitting. I’ve got enough space to spare using 240mm non-AIO radiators that I routed a good number of my cables along the gutter between the radiators/fans and the case. CPU cooler height clearances shouldn’t pose any issues either.
Winter suggested the 240 NZXT to me. I have an older Corsair AIO but the hoses stick out and I couldn’t bend them enough. The NZXT has the hoses on the side on 90’s so it’ll fit much easier.
Nice! Thank you both.
Now I need this to be funded - literally the type of case I’ve been looking for months, the perfect balance between size and thermals.
...and I need enough people to buy in to get me that silver and black color variant. Looks soooo good.
