32gb G.Skills (1.2V)another said that to me to . with my cpu it works fine. which ram do you have??
32gb G.Skills (1.2V)another said that to me to . with my cpu it works fine. which ram do you have??
Could you share your thoughts on why you are not happy with A300?... Well, it seems I won't be happy with A300 anymore. So sad that issues, support, and bad quality product - in that regard.
It could be days.. weeks or even months.Surpsisingly bad availability and expensive prices. Hope you right and in the next weeks its appears in more stores.
Could you share your thoughts on why you are not happy with A300?
And what nice ITX case you are planning to use?
AMD Released new drivers:
Chipset/SoC: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/socket-fp5-mobile/amd-ryzen-and-athlon-mobile-chipset
direct: https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chipset_software_2.07.14.327.exe (~45MB)
APU/Adrenaline: https://www.amd.com/en/support/apu/...processors-radeon-vega-graphics/amd-ryzen-5-0
direct, Recommended version: https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/win10-radeon-software-adrenalin-2020-edition-20.9.1-sep29.exe (~430MB)
If someone was experiencing THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER, I suggest to give it a try. For me it's working!
Well, unfortunately I experienced today more like 4 BSODs. Each one by itself also hung and did not recover. Error: THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER.
Did anyone else experience this?
BIOS: 3.60R, A300
It happens repeatedly with following apps opened up simultaneously; windows 10, x64, latest updates, latest chipset&apu drivers on stable branch, dual screen setup, both FHD, @60Hz and @144Hz:
-discord (mainly)
-whatsapp desktop
-vscode (even just opened up, no project loaded)
-chronium
-as well as sometimes with the built-in clipboard when making screenshots using "Print" key.
There is no madness on my system, even this discord thing is only one group with usual text and media. Nothing special. The setup is also rather common.
There is kinda no specific trigger for this. It may happen while typing in any of those apps or while moving them around and sometimes, but not that frequent while just sitting there idle.
Often is WhatsApp and non-work related in full screen on the left 60Hz side, and vscode or chrome is big in front on 144Hz.
Very unsatisfying and unpleasant experience.
I actually think it is still the driver. While it got overall better - there seem some issues to be present.
The driver may struggle relocating gpu-powered workload between two screens resulting in a timeout. But me no AMD developer.
Thanks in advance
Thank you very much for asking.
There are in fact some issues till this day present that unsatisfy my experience.
I will provide some examples, as quotes from my posts before.
1. Software:
1.1 Here is the recent one: driver used in first, then the error THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER in the second.
1.2 Virtualisation issues / bootloops / nvme*
Workaround: disassemble the system, take out M.2, restart couple of times, put M.2 back in, then you could boot again.
* by now have been fixed in a newer BIOS version
2. Hardware - particular the quality of the power delivery system on the mainboard
2.1 The VRMs are noisy when in standby or on (at higher freq.), I can pick it up. (not that bad in fact, I could live with that)
2.2 This point is more crucial one:
As members already pointed out several times. The SoC rail on the mainboard supplying +1.0V to the SoC section of Ryzen CPU is a very busy one
when the APU starts to access it (Vega 11 in my case). This leads to a massive (in terms of those dimensions) voltage drops on the SoC rail.
This makes the whole system instable. While I'm certanly sure that my G.Skill modules would perform fine at 3466MHz or such - resulting in a better
3d-performace, since more memory bandwidth - it struggles with keeping the 3200 XMP profile.
Due to more memory bandwith, as the clock rises, the internal transistors have to switch faster. This sucks more power. The mainboard should take care of the calibration which it does not. (Edit: Some quality boards provide even a BIOS setting called "LLC". It's Load Line Calibration with levels e.g. [0-5]. It is there specifically to take care of the voltage drop) Well, it does if you go Zen (Raven Ridge) -official 2933MHz.
But then instead of taking some steps and trying to optimize it with a BIOS update (how long we have waited for it) they throw X300 on the market,
which (based on pictures) is barely different. (Edit: I'm speculating about X300, I do not know, but from what I can see) This leads to last view...
3. Philosophical
I think here I am at a point, where I can tell I won't support this manufacturer in this class of devices with any further purchase.
The system is also SO-DIMM based (sadly) but it's fine for example as a VM station. There is not much APU you need in this usecase,
two internal s-ata ports allow installing FreeNAS (or TrueNAS) with some additional VMs and enough memory this is fine small machine.
Mainly because in middle of my work it decides to hang (see 1.). Maybe Linux is better optimized, as AMD's drivers - I believe - are open source.
There are just constantly some issues. Currently it's fine, when you figure everything out, apply some voltages as you're overclocking to achieve stock,
and then they release X300 and remove the SoC VID option in BIOS so I can not run stock anymore. It's just a bad joke.
It is my personal opinion and it's fine
Edit 2: And for now, the Ryzen 2400G is still a good CPU for me! And I have no intentions to replace it. Maybe of the better iGPU go for a 4750G but then not on the A300. It's just a no go. And before investing in a new 400€ (exxagoration) -CPU I will better invest 400€ in a new "sub-system" and give the APU "more room to breathe" by going with 3600MHz modules. Afterall I can O/C the Vega 11 (which is not that worse in comparison to 4750G's) and at least hit the (here also speculating) 4750G's-levels. At least it won't hang up anymore, I hope.
Edit 3: The case is a good question. I do not know for sure. I was not able to find a case as small as the A300. I have two local suppliers.
- https://www.caseking.de/cooler-master-masterbox-q300l-mini-gehaeuse-schwarz-geco-292.html -- this seems interesting
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_...e-304-Wuerfel-ohne-Netzteil-weiss_931990.html
Those are interesting. I tend to the first one in the list.
@m4758406 thanks for sharing. Seems, for me the same as me with the voltage drop.
I have zero problems with my A300/4650g on BIOS 3.60S. My RAM runs fine at 3400c16. I play a little PUBG and COD on it. I have had zero BSODs in the 2 months I have had it. Dont know what the issue is for anyone else?Dear All,
I’m new in town and I have really enjoyed reading this thread, however, I’m still not sure I understand the state of A300 with Renoir CPUs. I’ve got a 4650g and I would like to build a small, quiet office PC with 2x8 GB RAM and a SSD. I’m not interested in gaming nor in OC. My top priority is system stability. Still, I’m not sure that A300 is the right choice for me (especially after reading gustav’s last post). So what should I do:
Thanks for your thoughts!
- get an A300 with flashed bios (which version in the most stable for my needs? the X300 one?) + Noctua NH-L9a-AM4
- wait for an X300 (+ Noctua NH-L9a-AM4)
- get a ASRock A520M-ITX/AC motherboard (I don't need the extras of B550) and a nice mITX case
Thank you very much for asking.
There are in fact some issues till this day present that unsatisfy my experience.
I will provide some examples, as quotes from my posts before.
1. Software:
1.1 Here is the recent one: driver used in first, then the error THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER in the second.
1.2 Virtualisation issues / bootloops / nvme*
Workaround: disassemble the system, take out M.2, restart couple of times, put M.2 back in, then you could boot again.
* by now have been fixed in a newer BIOS version
2. Hardware - particular the quality of the power delivery system on the mainboard
2.1 The VRMs are noisy when in standby or on (at higher freq.), I can pick it up. (not that bad in fact, I could live with that)
2.2 This point is more crucial one:
As members already pointed out several times. The SoC rail on the mainboard supplying +1.0V to the SoC section of Ryzen CPU is a very busy one
when the APU starts to access it (Vega 11 in my case). This leads to a massive (in terms of those dimensions) voltage drops on the SoC rail.
This makes the whole system instable. While I'm certanly sure that my G.Skill modules would perform fine at 3466MHz or such - resulting in a better
3d-performace, since more memory bandwidth - it struggles with keeping the 3200 XMP profile.
Due to more memory bandwith, as the clock rises, the internal transistors have to switch faster. This sucks more power. The mainboard should take care of the calibration which it does not. (Edit: Some quality boards provide even a BIOS setting called "LLC". It's Load Line Calibration with levels e.g. [0-5]. It is there specifically to take care of the voltage drop) Well, it does if you go Zen (Raven Ridge) -official 2933MHz.
But then instead of taking some steps and trying to optimize it with a BIOS update (how long we have waited for it) they throw X300 on the market,
which (based on pictures) is barely different. (Edit: I'm speculating about X300, I do not know, but from what I can see) This leads to last view...
3. Philosophical
I think here I am at a point, where I can tell I won't support this manufacturer in this class of devices with any further purchase.
The system is also SO-DIMM based (sadly) but it's fine for example as a VM station. There is not much APU you need in this usecase,
two internal s-ata ports allow installing FreeNAS (or TrueNAS) with some additional VMs and enough memory this is fine small machine.
Mainly because in middle of my work it decides to hang (see 1.). Maybe Linux is better optimized, as AMD's drivers - I believe - are open source.
There are just constantly some issues. Currently it's fine, when you figure everything out, apply some voltages as you're overclocking to achieve stock,
and then they release X300 and remove the SoC VID option in BIOS so I can not run stock anymore. It's just a bad joke.
It is my personal opinion and it's fine
Edit 2: And for now, the Ryzen 2400G is still a good CPU for me! And I have no intentions to replace it. Maybe of the better iGPU go for a 4750G but then not on the A300. It's just a no go. And before investing in a new 400€ (exxagoration) -CPU I will better invest 400€ in a new "sub-system" and give the APU "more room to breathe" by going with 3600MHz modules. Afterall I can O/C the Vega 11 (which is not that worse in comparison to 4750G's) and at least hit the (here also speculating) 4750G's-levels. At least it won't hang up anymore, I hope.
Edit 3: The case is a good question. I do not know for sure. I was not able to find a case as small as the A300. I have two local suppliers.
- https://www.caseking.de/cooler-master-masterbox-q300l-mini-gehaeuse-schwarz-geco-292.html -- this seems interesting
- https://www.mindfactory.de/product_...e-304-Wuerfel-ohne-Netzteil-weiss_931990.html
Those are interesting. I tend to the first one in the list.
But then again, I was following up @rubicoin's idea of expanding the A300 with a dedicated GPU, which I find is a very interesting topic. And for this price it's very nice. PSU and 5500XT + goodies for 159€ is just sweet.
Thank you for your kind words. Basically I have the same setup except the CPU.Sorry to hear you're having difficulties. For what it's worth, I picked one of these up a few months ago, and couldn't be happier.
- Ryzen 5 3400g
- G.SKILL Ripjaws SO-DIMM 16GB (2 x 8GB) 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Laptop Memory Model F4-3200C18D-16GRS
- Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe - CT1000P1SSD8
- Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 Cooler
- Intel AX200 WiFi
I never updated the BIOS, it says "A300M-STX P 3.60", and for the memory, the XMP profile did the work for me, no sweat: "DDR4-3200 18-18-18-43 1.20V". I've not done any tweaking whatsoever, because, well, I'm happy with the performance and have had no issues whatsoever. I installed Win10 Pro, nothing extraordinary for the drivers, and I'm good to go.
Also, I did a price/performance analysis (plus risk) regarding the 4x50 series, and at least based on US prices, couldn't justify chasing those. At some point (depending on use case, but if you're talking about an external GPU anyways, I'm guessing games fall into it) you're just not going to be able to justify any iGPU on DDR4, so the $130-140 price tag for the 3400g is still the value king right now as far as I could tell, but not enough to justify moving on from a 2400g.
Even if dGPU does not work (- it does not matter / it is not making me sad, and you don't loose that much money, which is also nice). You made the experience, and we were able to catch your first-hand-reports and getting your thoughts is a good experience when dealing with this topic on it's own. Thank youafter so much hype made here i hope it'll all work though i'm eager to find out but still waiting for the m.2 adapter to arrive from aliexpress.
and regarding psu and gpu: they can be found used very cheap sometimes. i bought my dell brick for ~15€ locally and even a new 5500 xt can be the best deal right now (no black friday or pre 6000 series sale needed). the trick is to get it through amdrewards promo which gives you free godfall game key (+wow: shadowlands if you can ask someone to activate it for you with at least a 5600 xt these titles run for 59.99€ and 39.99€ respectively!). seems to be a pretty good opportunity to expand the 3d capabilities of A300 considering how much less you get from a costly 4750g upgrade (~10% igpu increase coming from 4650g for +100€, which is funny compared to the 2-300% increase you can get from an entry level dgpu, even for the ~170€ full new price).
/etc/modprobe.d
, but ideally /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
(power_save=0 is not essential here, but it prevents the odd crack whenever something needs to be played after a stretch of silence). Don't get mislead by snd-hda-intel
—it's a driver that covers more than just Intel sound setups:options snd-hda-intel model=headset-mic power_save=0
0x19
is the Headset Mic by the way. You might want to add it to “overrides” (check the checkbox) using HDAJackRetask (part of alsa-tools on Ubuntu). It's not been necessary for me, but I did encounter a device with a different BIOS version that has needed it./etc/pulse/daemon.conf
:default-sample-format = s16le
default-sample-rate = 48000
alternate-sample-rate = 44100
default-sample-channels = 2
default-channel-map = front-left,front-right
resample-method = soxr-vhq
# Fortunately about 24ms playback latency is possible on the A300.
tsched=0
default-fragments = 4
default-fragment-size-msec = 5
The X300 has the same power brick as the A300 and is essentially the same motherboard. ETA prime recently ran the 4750G on the X300 and measured a peak power draw of 138W, so the 120W brick really isn't enough. You can always get a better power brick and an adapter for the A300 barrel plug size (such as the Delta 330W brick), or talk to @REVOCCASES to hook you up with a custom 12V brick. Although not advertised, the Deskmini works fine at 12V input.Is there a user here that runs 4750G on A300?
Would like to know if temperature and power brick on A300 able to handle this CPU without throttling?
The X300 has the same power brick as the A300 and is essentially the same motherboard. ETA prime recently ran the 4750G on the X300 and measured a peak power draw of 138W, so the 120W brick really isn't enough. You can always get a better power brick and an adapter for the A300 barrel plug size (such as the Delta 330W brick), or talk to @REVOCCASES to hook you up with a custom 12V brick. Although not advertised, the Deskmini works fine at 12V input.
Another issue with the 4750G on the A300 is in some configuration the memory doesn't run faster than 2933, though I haven't gotten a good understanding of it. There's some talk of it being due to the adrenaline drivers but I don't know for sure.