Ryzen 3600 vs 3700x temperatures (65W parts)

Analogue Blacksheep

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Hello, seeing as orders have opened for the new Ryzen chips, I'm curious about the fact that the 3600 and the 3700x both have the same power draw of 65W. Despite the 3700x being more powerful, I know this doesn't necessarily mean it is going to run hotter.

I know it's very early days, but I was wondering if there have been any comparison between these two chips yet in regards to their temperatures? I'm planning on using a Noctua NH-L9a/i with one of them.
 

ondert

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Dude these chips look so promising. 3700X consumes energy at about 1600 and 2600.


 

FlexMentallo

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Jul 1, 2019
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I am in the middle of the same sort of build so also looking out for power/temp numbers. Been planning on going 3600 but those 3700X numbers sure look promising.
 

bmacc

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Steve from gamersnexus had some data in their 3600 review showing that the 3600 they sampled had a similar power draw to their 3700X as similar clocks, suggesting the 3700X is better binned. Still the power draw for both is very impressive.

 

Treepata

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Jul 8, 2019
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Hi everyone,

(First post here..)

I have been considering a SSF build with the AMD Ryzen 3600 as well, but am a bit worried about its power consumption and heat generation. As such I have been moving towards the I9400F instead.

In particular I found the following German review helpful: https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07/amd-ryzen-3000-test/4/
They compare a wide range of processors, which makes it quite useful.

Has anyone else found more reviews which specify the temperatures and power consumption?

I also find it interesting that the Ryzen 3700 has a better (lower) heat generation, according to the review above.
 
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prayogahs

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Just my 2 cents here. I bought a new Asus B450-I with updated BIOS + Ryzen 3600 + AM4 bracket for my existing L9i and idling temps are around 45-55C. During gaming on AAA titles like AC Odyssey, it goes up to 70-75C and usually stays there. If I do Prime95, it does get toasty and up to 90C but most likely on gaming it will be around 70-75C. I am too lazy to dismantle and double check my mounting or thermal paste application so the temps are acceptable for me. As a comparison, my previous CPU i5-7500 usually stays on 60-65C during gaming.
 
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Weredawg

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Hi everyone,

(First post here..)

I have been considering a SSF build with the AMD Ryzen 3600 as well, but am a bit worried about its power consumption and heat generation. As such I have been moving towards the I9400F instead.
I'm planning on going with an i5 9400F as well. I'll only really be doing gaming, it's $150, I never cared about a stock cooler or iGPU since I was always going to use my own cooler and GPU, and the wattage and heat output are very good.

But I can definitely see the appeal of the 3600 for content creators
 

W4RR10R

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I'm planning on going with an i5 9400F as well. I'll only really be doing gaming, it's $150, I never cared about a stock cooler or iGPU since I was always going to use my own cooler and GPU, and the wattage and heat output are very good.

But I can definitely see the appeal of the 3600 for content creators

Well the 3600 (non X) has higher base and boost than the 9400f and 6 more threads. It also has more cache across the board (nearly 4x L3).

Alot of reviews say that it out performs the 2700x in just about everything, save some productivity workloads where thread count is more important but even then it essentially ties the 2700x.

It was also compared to the 9600k where it traded blows in gaming and blew its doors off in productivity.

IMO if the ~$50 doesn't make a huge difference to you the 3600 is the clear choice.
 

Weredawg

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Well the 3600 (non X) has higher base and boost than the 9400f and 6 more threads. It also has more cache across the board (nearly 4x L3).

Alot of reviews say that it out performs the 2700x in just about everything, save some productivity workloads where thread count is more important but even then it essentially ties the 2700x.

It was also compared to the 9600k where it traded blows in gaming and blew its doors off in productivity.

IMO if the ~$50 doesn't make a huge difference to you the 3600 is the clear choice.
Those are all very fair points. Was just worried about thermals/noise in small cases like the CCD MI-6 that I was planning to build in but I'll strongly consider making the shift to AMD. My last build was in 2011 and that had an i5 2500K, never tried AMD
 

Treepata

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Jul 8, 2019
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Thanks for your replies and extra info. I agree with @W4RR10R that indeed the Ryzen 3600 seems the best option in every way, as it is much better in applications and stands it ground in gaming. In the reviews it is often compared with high level Intel processors and it does a great job. Exactly why it makes the 3600 so interesting IMO.

But what the reviews don't generally compare (well), is power use and temperatures. I understand very well that most people are interested in benchmarks and framerates, but I want a small PC that doesn't sound like a jet airplane or turns the room in an oven (imagine turning the oven to 90 C and leaving it open on a warm summer day). For me that is more important than 10 frames more or less in a gaming situation.

I have been monitoring reviews on the internet, but only found one additionally interesting. It are actually 2 different reviews from the same site (Techspot), one in which they review the 3600 and an older one in which they review the 9400f (versus 2600x). Cross-referencing the results (yes, it is not completely accurate, as different parts were used) provides e.g. the following info;

Division 2 average (1080p, Ultra quality settings)
3600: 157 fps
2600x: 142 fps (138 in the other test)
9400f: 143 fps

Shadow of the Tomb Raider average (1080p, Ultra quality settings)
3600: 95 fps
2600x: 87 fps (88 in the other test)
9400f: 88 fps

Not much news here, but the reviews point out that the 2600x and the 9400f run around 70 C degrees (load, using box coolers) and that the 3600 runs 80 C degrees (load, using box coolers). For a SFF build that would be a bit too much for my liking (I am planning to squeeze it in my trusty Sugo SG05). Especially knowing that the Intel box coolers are bad, and as such the 9400f can easily be pushed lower with a better cooler.
This seems a bit in line with what @prayogahs previously reported.

Links to the reviews: https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/ and https://www.techspot.com/review/1829-intel-core-i5-9400f-vs-amd-ryzen-5-2600x/
 

Weredawg

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A good cooler should help with temps and noise. I was always planning on using a Noctua NH-L12S regardless of which of these CPUs I got.
 
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W4RR10R

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I would also point out that he 2600x comes with the Wraith spire, a 95 watt cooler, and the 3600/2600 comes with the wraith stealth, a 65 watt cooler, so temps compared between the stock coolers aren't apples to apples.

Honestly I don't think you really can wrong here, the 3600 and 9400f are great processors for their price.
 

Legion

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A good cooler should help with temps and noise. I was always planning on using a Noctua NH-L12S regardless of which of these CPUs I got.
I've been testing a 3600 for the last few days while waiting for my 3700x to appear. I've been using a Big Shuriken 3. Using PBO which boosts the CPU to 4.2ghz gaming loads are mid 60's and Synthetics approach 80c.
The NH-L12S will be very comparable to this.
 

wallysimmonds

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Nov 30, 2018
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I've just received my 3700x and installed it in my Asus 470-I/Dancase with L9 and it idles around 40-50 degrees. Running Cinebench shoots up to 80-85 so I think I've got something wrong. Will pull it apart again tomorrow and reapply the thermal paste - hopefully its not too much worse than my 2600 as that thing was very cool in comparison.
 

prayogahs

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Apr 21, 2019
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I've just received my 3700x and installed it in my Asus 470-I/Dancase with L9 and it idles around 40-50 degrees. Running Cinebench shoots up to 80-85 so I think I've got something wrong. Will pull it apart again tomorrow and reapply the thermal paste - hopefully its not too much worse than my 2600 as that thing was very cool in comparison.
Actually that seems to be similar results with my 3600 and Legion's testing. But hopefully reapplying might change something as I am also considering it.
 

TheHig

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Thanks for the info on the 3600/3700x all. Planning on one or the other myself. Any thoughts on reports of bios being heavy handed on the voltages when Auto is selected? I’ve seen some people chime in that undervolting or negative offsets have been successful for temps. (Like always the case right!?)
If any of you try that let us know.

Thanks!
 

wallysimmonds

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Nov 30, 2018
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I'll be definitely having a proper play around tonight when I get home from work, the testing I have done is really minimal.
Will reapply paste - not looking forward to pulling everything apart again =/
Legion, definitely post what temps you get with your 3700x when it turns up.