Well, sharing my opinion is hurting people..
Sharing your opinion is fine, but you were cherry-picking information to validate it.
That's what I take exception to, because you're misrepresenting (intentionally or not) the reality of what this card means to folks. Which, granted, isn't breaking any rules or anything, but you better be prepared to be called on it.
Your
opinion, if I understand it correctly, is that you're unhappy with the relative performance improvement. That's totally fine! People have different expectations and different thresholds for that sort of thing, so it's subjective. But that's not what you said, or at least not all that you said. You said that NVIDIA was
lying to us about VR performance, and proceeded to misrepresent how their new technology works:
Dirty announcement of VR improvement perf >*2 vs Maxwell generation (Pascal is just generating one image and rotate it to adjust to each eye, thanks to async compute. Maxwell was generating 2 images, one for each eye)
And you said that a >2Ghz overclock required that a GTX 1080 max out its fan speed, even as there exist many counter-examples of reviewers surpassing that with lower fan speeds (not to mention that you stripped important context that even your sole source made sure to include in their analysis):
Annoucement of Overclock above 2Ghz...however, except if you force fan speed to 100% all time, it will throttle down 1.6Ghz
Those aren't opinions, those are stated facts that
objectively aren't true. And that's not even all of the misleading or inaccurate stuff that you said!
I have no qualms with your opinion. But I do with bullshit. I'm going to call it, and others are going to call it. That's on you, not us or the community, and that's how great communities work - by filtering the bullshit so the discussions are civil and informed. In this instance, we had
three people all bring up separate points that contradicted what you said, with data to demonstrate what you said was bullshit, and we all mentioned diverse sources or linked to them directly. Couching that as us having our feelings hurt is simply disrespectful.
I apologize for making an example out of you, but I think the creeping of incorrect information in discussions like this can seriously pollute how beneficial they are for all of us. And, to be clear, everyone does it. Heck, I did it a few days ago,
with a broad statement that
@Necere correctly called out as misrepresenting the preference/efficacy of tower coolers. And far from being "hurt", I was
thankful! Necere's comment ensured that readers were informed, and I (and everyone else) was better from that.
We should all feel free and comfortable to express our opinions and our knowledge and understanding alike. But we should all also be content with being accountable for what we've said, and be able to recognize when we're either biased or simply wrong, because that's true of all of us at some point. The day we can't maintain that dynamic is the day that SFF Forum becomes a lot less special for all of us.
Sharing your opinion isn't hurting people. You have a right to share your opinion and they have a right to criticize it. Simple stuff. No harm no foul.
Yes, of course. Additionally, if someone states a fact or an objective statement that isn't true, I encourage anyone and everyone to correct that and - importantly - show your sources!
To finish on this upcoming gtx 1080, I wonder if there will be any short pcb version, even on gtx 1080.
Do you have any news related to that?
My expectation is that they won't since they need the space on the 1080 for the memory, and since a shorter profile would be another potential plus in the Titan/1080 Ti column if and when we see such cards. We'd probably see a leak or an early announcement of a "short 1080" if a manufacturer decides to go for it, though, at least in the near future.
That would be absolutely amazing, but I think the 1070 will stay the strongest short PCB card. It has a higher TDP than the 980 and more RAM, so without something like HBM, getting a short PCB version would be very difficult. ASRock, I'm counting on you!
I'd agree. Fingers crossed!
