Motherboard Framework Desktop: ITX Motherboard with Ryzen AI Max CPU

[46x02]

The major issue is the availability: That one seems to be only available via Ali Express so far, while Silverstone Air Slimmer 120 is available to all major markets. The OP seems to be located in the EU, so Ali Express + shipping costs + VAT / toll fees might not be worth it.

Also, is that one prone to explosions like the first versions of the Arctic Slim? AFAIK that was the reason Arctic silently replaced them with a slightly different type of fan. With 3000+ rpm, I'd be a bit sceptical, ESPECIALLY with a slim 120 fan.

Explosions? I've been using the TL-B12015 EXTREM for over a month now with no issues. Have it paired with Intel's 265K and an IS-55 heatsink. I have the CPU limited to around 180w and with the fan curve I'm using, it gets pretty close to max speed under full load. The fan has a ring blade design and it seems to have good stability.

By the way, I have tried a couple of different RTX4090 fans modified for case/heatsink use. They're around 17mm or so. Maximum RPM is somewhat beyond 3000. They didn't fail, I just wanted slightly more space from the side panel. They are a little complicated to obtain - I used a shopping agent website called Superbuy to find and purchase them, and the fans themselves were listed on a Chinese website called Xianyu. I think there are one or two models available on AliExpress also. Would definitely be overkill for Framework's motherboard.

 

[hrh_ginsterbusch]

Explosions? I've been using the TL-B12015 EXTREM for over a month now with no issues. Have it paired with Intel's 265K and an IS-55 heatsink. I have the CPU limited to around 180w and with the fan curve I'm using, it gets pretty close to max speed under full load. The fan has a ring blade design and it seems to have good stability.

Several people have reported the Arctic Slim first gen been prone to easily break or that there even was flying debris when coming apart. Acc. to other that doesnt happen anymore, albeit the fan blades seem to be still very nimble.

Now compare this to the Silverstone Air Slimmer, where I nearly cut myself when I was fixing things in open case test mode (yeah, no cut, but damn did my finger hurt).

cu, w0lf.

 

[k0n]

Just finished the build:

187 × 178 × 81 mm (2.7L)

Mine runs with a 250W GaN for now...

 

[46x02]

Just finished the build:

Beautiful case, do you have a name for it?

Mine runs with a 250W GaN for now...

According to CaseLabs, it can handle brief peaks of 300w https://www.caselabs.org/psu/hdplex-gan-250w-atx

You could add a power filter board like this for a little extra security https://www.ebay.com/itm/156614482515
It's for the 8-pin CPU connection, which is where the high power draw occurs.

 

[k0n]

Beautiful case, do you have a name for it?

"k2.7L" probably... I know the 250W GaN can handle it because I borrowed the unit from my 4060LP/12600 build

 

[Arboreal]

Just finished the build:

187 × 178 × 81 mm (2.7L)

Mine runs with a 250W GaN for now...

Sounds great, sadly as a UK resident I have no idea what it looks like as Imgur is not available here any longer....

 

[robbyfisher]

I'm popping back here as I've finished my Framework Desktop build. In the end I went with the Cooj MQ4, a HDPlex 500W Hi-Fi DC-ATX converter with custom cables, and a Dell 330W GaN brick. In addition to the Noctua APU fan sold by Framework I added two TL-8015 fans and swapped the standoffs for 8mm ones.

 

[Nilithium]

I'm popping back here as I've finished my Framework Desktop build. In the end I went with the Cooj MQ4, a HDPlex 500W Hi-Fi DC-ATX converter with custom cables, and a Dell 330W GaN brick. In addition to the Noctua APU fan sold by Framework I added two TL-8015 fans and swapped the standoffs for 8mm ones.

Very nice! I wanted to ask something: Have you considered tossing an RX 6400 in there for Lossless Scaling at all? I'm aware most don't use their Framework for gaming, but the 6400 is a 4.0 x4 GPU with a TDP of 50 watts. While this technically breaches the 25W max that Framework says the slot can handle, LSFG doesn't typically add max load to a GPU.

 

[Skripka]

Well, I went and ordered a 395 system to replace my MacMini that is short in the RAM department these days. Should be fun. Need to get the Noctua side-panel and duct printed out, supposed improves noise performance a lot:

How to make the Framework Desktop run even quieter | Noctua

And because Noctua are bros, they put the files on the internet FOSS, and people improved on them:
Framework Destktop side panel with Noctua-style fan grill
With improved on latches, by community folks: Framework Destktop side panel with Noctua-style fan grill but slightly better
Framework Desktop custom fan duct - Printables.com

 

[robbyfisher]

Very nice! I wanted to ask something: Have you considered tossing an RX 6400 in there for Lossless Scaling at all?

Short answer, no. I'm not a gamer but may add GPU down the track for local inference

 

[Skripka]

Got my machine on Tuesday. Dang this is a sweet little whip. Tossed Bazzite on it (has been years since I ran Linux on the regular). Ofc, I couldn't leave well enough alone--saw a UEFI update 3.03->3.04, which introduced a long boot time issue....there's a Linux command line utility to just roll it back, so easy peasy. I forgot how great Linux is

 

[hrh_ginsterbusch]

Got my machine on Tuesday. Dang this is a sweet little whip. Tossed Bazzite on it (has been years since I ran Linux on the regular). Ofc, I couldn't leave well enough alone--saw a UEFI update 3.03->3.04, which introduced a long boot time issue....there's a Linux command line utility to just roll it back, so easy peasy. I forgot how great Linux is

Thanks to manufacturers not being that open about internals, these glitches are a given. On the other hand, 5 years ago you still had to go by the rule: "better to use 1 - 2 gens older hardware" to avoid any issues. These days? Still got the distro "what installs best" fun, but MX Linux or Siduction has been my safe bet, and if all fails, Manjaro got you covered.

Linux has been great at least the last 10 years (its my primary OS since 2007). I mean I use a system with 64 GB RAM and it almost never wastes more than 16 GB, even if I got all browsers I have to use opened (I'm a web developer, so testing comes first, comfort second). Only once did I stumble upon an issue when the latest installation of Firefox thought it'd be great to clog up 20 GB (!). But then, thats Firefox we're talking about

Most of my issues stem from using RT-optimized kernels, eg. Liquorix, because aside of the classic workstation uses like programming and audio / video editing, I also use my system for DJing. Low latency is very welcome, but I had to custom compile several programs, and if something like Mixxx crashes, it also takes the audio server with it, and soon enough, we get a little bit of kernel panic ..

With "atomic" distributions like Bazzite, you probably wont ever run into such issues. Maybe some GPU driver fun, but thats ... a cross-platform issue

cu, w0lf.

 

[Skripka]

Thanks to manufacturers not being that open about internals, these glitches are a given. On the other hand, 5 years ago you still had to go by the rule: "better to use 1 - 2 gens older hardware" to avoid any issues. These days? Still got the distro "what installs best" fun, but MX Linux or Siduction has been my safe bet, and if all fails, Manjaro got you covered.

Linux has been great at least the last 10 years (its my primary OS since 2007). I mean I use a system with 64 GB RAM and it almost never wastes more than 16 GB, even if I got all browsers I have to use opened (I'm a web developer, so testing comes first, comfort second). Only once did I stumble upon an issue when the latest installation of Firefox thought it'd be great to clog up 20 GB (!). But then, thats Firefox we're talking about

Most of my issues stem from using RT-optimized kernels, eg. Liquorix, because aside of the classic workstation uses like programming and audio / video editing, I also use my system for DJing. Low latency is very welcome, but I had to custom compile several programs, and if something like Mixxx crashes, it also takes the audio server with it, and soon enough, we get a little bit of kernel panic ..

With "atomic" distributions like Bazzite, you probably wont ever run into such issues. Maybe some GPU driver fun, but thats ... a cross-platform issue

cu, w0lf.

Hehe.

I used to daily Linux back 15 years ago (right around when KDE Plasma 4.0 was pushed as final initially to distros). Back then the tables were reversed and Nvidia had better GPU drivers. I had to stop because my Radeon HD6850 that I had just bought at BestBuy, 6 months after release, had nearly zero AMD FOSS or proprietary driver support. Oh, the driver would install and could be configured...but None as in, you couldn't even start an XOrg session. Hilarious how things have rather reversed over time.

I will say I was rather shocked at how much shared-memory Bazzite eats on boot (20GB)...compared to my old Fedora or Arch environment. But that was 15 years ago with 1680x1050 monitors and 6GB of RAM compared to HDR 4K 120Hz. But, RAM exists to be used--and that was part of why I went overboard on getting the maximum config--to not end up like my MacMini with 16GB, and in less than 5 years have a web browser needing to page to conserve resources.

About the only thing I haven't found on Bazaar and Flatpak is R and R studio...but most of that stuff needs done on my work laptop anyway. TBH this whole immutability/atomic thing was something I had to google--because it didn't exist last time I ran *nix. Neat stuff--and testam,ent to the FOSS folks who care and are clever enough to contrive it.